Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?

[Taeth]

IMO at his best Judah is more skilled than alot of the top p4p guys.
He's better in terms of skill, speed, and power than
about 9 guys on your top 20 list... Does he always show it? No, but if he fought like he did against Floyd all the time he would be in the top 15 p4p easily... There is a reason he was so highly regarded when he was younger.

[B@rr3r@]

IMO at his best Judah is more skilled than alot of the top p4p guys.
He's better in terms of skill, speed, and power than
about 9 guys on your top 20 list... Does he always show it? No, but if he fought like he did against Floyd all the time he would be in the top 15 p4p easily... There is a reason he was so highly regarded when he was younger.

Agreed

Zab I think alot of the time Zabs boxing is misinterpreted in the fact he is a bit of a idiot. But take away his personna and he is a very gifted fighter...

[BABABOOEY]

Yeah, if he focused, always kept his hands up, stopped sticking his head out, making stupid faces at his opponents, and a bunch of other stupid little things. . . . . he would be a great fighter. His problem is he's great in spurts. He's very inconsistent.

[Purist]

Zab should keep his hands up like you said. he is slick but he'd be better served to keep his hands up. He did it against Floyd more often then not but he needs to do it more.

[Taeth]

I personally don't even think he needs to keep his hands up... He just needs to stop being so cocky when he has his hands down, and try to look special. Even Roy who was trying to show boat for his friends in his prime was knocked down by Dou Valle of all people, and nobody in their right would tell Roy to keep his hands up. Zab just needs to stay focused.

[amat]

It's simple.

NO WAY.

He has lost his last two fights! Surely you can't consider him in the elite P4P level when the guy hasn't won this year and lost to a journeyman. What has he done? Sure he has skills but his accomplishments...well he doesn't have many. I mean, let's look at his last 11 fights. Aside from Spinks and a VERY close decision versus Corley (I thought it was a draw but I don't have a problem with Judah winning), he hasn't beat anybody! Not only has he not beat anybody but he struggled mightily (that's an understatement) with a slow over the hill Raphael Pineda. Then there was the Baldomir, Mayweather and Spinks in the first fight. Then of course there was Tszyu.

Other then a Spinks win over a year ago, and a Corley win 2 years ago, he has done absolutely nothing. How can anyone justify him being top 20 P4P? Sure he has the skills to be top 20 P4P but he doesn't put them to use.

[Purist]

It's simple.

NO WAY.

He has lost his last two fights! Surely you can't consider him in the elite P4P level when the guy hasn't won this year

And yet he has Morales at 17

[amat]

It's simple.

NO WAY.

He has lost his last two fights! Surely you can't consider him in the elite P4P level when the guy hasn't won this year

And yet he has Morales at 17

That was only one point Surely you wouldn't compare Morales' accomplishments and quality of opposition to that of Judah's?

[Purist]

Not opposition.

BUT Morales ahs lost 3 of his last 4 He got beat by Barerra, so he gets a shot at Pacquiao(the guy that beat Barerra) ook he makes the best of it and wins... and then loses his next 2 fights.

Comparing Zab's losses.

Well Zab lost to someone in Baldomir that not many people(except me) thought he'd have trouble with.

Then Zab was expected to get knocked out by PBF and went the distance losing.

Morales lost in a more one sided fashion to Zahir Raheem to rounds to 2. Which is worse then Zab's 7 rounds to 5

Also Morales(the iron chin) whom nobody thought would or could ever be "stopped' gets stopped in his next loss by Pacquiao.

So you tell me who had a worse one

[amat]

Not opposition.

BUT Morales ahs lost 3 of his last 4 He got beat by Barerra, so he gets a shot at Pacquiao(the guy that beat Barerra) ook he makes the best of it and wins... and then loses his next 2 fights.

Comparing Zab's losses.

Well Zab lost to someone in Baldomir that not many people(except me) thought he'd have trouble with.

Then Zab was expected to get knocked out by PBF and went the distance losing.

Morales lost in a more one sided fashion to Zahir Raheem to rounds to 2. Which is worse then Zab's 7 rounds to 5

Also Morales(the iron chin) whom nobody thought would or could ever be "stopped' gets stopped in his next loss by Pacquiao.

So you tell me who had a worse one

You forgot to mention Morales beating one of the top P4P fighters in the world in Pacquiao Morales will always get the benefit of the doubt because even in being KO'd, Morales was very competitve. And I had Zab winning by SD over Baldomir in the prediction contest so I don't think you're the only one Morales will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt over Judah because he has had the better career.

Either way the point is moot, I wouldn't place either in the to 20 P4P and noone should but I think he DEFINITELY gets in above Judah.

[LarryB]

No way Judah is top 20.
He is a smack talking glass chin loser
only sal would disagree

[El Gamo]

It's simple.

NO WAY.

He has lost his last two fights! Surely you can't consider him in the elite P4P level when the guy hasn't won this year and lost to a journeyman. What has he done? Sure he has skills but his accomplishments...well he doesn't have many. I mean, let's look at his last 11 fights. Aside from Spinks and a VERY close decision versus Corley (I thought it was a draw but I don't have a problem with Judah winning), he hasn't beat anybody! Not only has he not beat anybody but he struggled mightily (that's an understatement) with a slow over the hill Raphael Pineda. Then there was the Baldomir, Mayweather and Spinks in the first fight. Then of course there was Tszyu.

Other then a Spinks win over a year ago, and a Corley win 2 years ago, he has done absolutely nothing. How can anyone justify him being top 20 P4P? Sure he has the skills to be top 20 P4P but he doesn't put them to use.

Cc bro,great points and to compare him to the great Erik Morales is an insult. Morales is an all time great and in beating Pacman alone,he has bettered Judah's achievements in his entire career.I'd agree Secound Round bro,I would not have EM in the top 20 but to compare his losses to Judah's?and I do NOT recall Zab winning 5 rounds against Floyd?! and Morales is still an iron chin,he went down to BODY SHOTS and his legs had gone,like Raheems against Juarez remember? Seriously,bringin EM into it