Joe Calzaghe invites Kelly Pavlik to Cardiff.

[ICB]

ICE i really do not think tyson was past it when he fought Douglas it does not make any since i just think Douglas fought perfect for that fight

Tyson did not train he had no headmovement his corner did not bring proper equipment for eye swelling Tyson was not in his prime in that fight i give Douglas props for the way he fought but you got to take into account Tyson wasn't in his prime and ask anyone on this forum and they know i don't like Tyson at all but im just telling you the facts.

[Mr140]

How could of he fell out of prime so fast it just does not make any since to me dude

[Mr140]

Ok well here i guess i can see it like when lewis took his opposition lightly and got beat

[ICB]

How could of he fell out of prime so fast it just does not make any since to me dude

He was having alot of problems at that time he wasn't training for the fight and thought Douglas would be a walk in the park but Douglas for that one night was awesome and Tyson did not prepare properly im not even sure prime Tyson would have been able to of beaten that version of Douglas to be honest.

[Mr140]

But i still not sure when Lewis prime was i get lost trying to find when his prime really was i think it was in mid to early 30's could be wrong though

[ICB]

But i still not sure when Lewis prime was i get lost trying to find when his prime really was i think it was in mid to early 30's could be wrong though

Basically when he join Emmanuel Steward.

[Mr140]

good point there cc ice i forgot about how much that changed him in his career it was a huge success and it is helping Wald to

[Mr140]

Hope he can get unification match or beat peter again or something the hw need some one to jump start them again

[helminth]

He wants to make Kelly Pavlik hungry to go up and fight him. Then, if Pavlik did which he shouldn't, Joe would back out like a little wimpy ladyboy.

[donnydarkoIRL]

He wants to make Kelly Pavlik hungry to go up and fight him. Then, if Pavlik did which he shouldn't, Joe would back out like a little wimpy ladyboy.

Ur Knoledge and insight is so graet that my brain could not comprehend it's logic.
In fact it was so far beyond the reaches of my mind it apopears in my eyes to be total b******t.

[Fenster]

I'm just giving you the facts, ICB.

Johnson was basically nothing but a S*** journeyman with lots of losses - Hopkins, Sosa, Kiwanuka, Ottke, Vanderpool, Branco, Sheika, Harmon, Gonzalez...all these guys found a way to beat him but Roy couldn't.

And to make matters 1000 times worse Roy got beat the F*** unconcious. They're just the facts.

If Roy was so good he would of never lost to a guy like that. Let alone get beat the F*** unconcious. They're just the facts.

So i suppose Tyson losing to journeyman Douglas or Tyson losing to Williams makes him bad and wasn't great in his prime ??

Jones had lost his reflexes speed and confidence thats pretty obvisious how many greats have lost to fighters when there past there prime ?? Robinson even lost Terry Downes so does that make him not good or not great in his prime ??

Jones just like many greats have lost to fighters they wouldn't of in there prime that still doesn't take away how amazing Jones was.

OK, so going by your reckoning.. Sheikas win over Johnson doesn't mean shit - cos there's excuses, Johnsons win over Roy doesn't mean shit - cos there's excuses...That can go on forever.

You can make excuses for anyones wins or losses.

Jones win over Toney doesn't mean shit.. Toney was weight funked. Jones win over Hopkins doesn't mean shit.. Hopkins was green. Excuses, excuses, excuses....

[ICB]

I'm just giving you the facts, ICB.

Johnson was basically nothing but a S*** journeyman with lots of losses - Hopkins, Sosa, Kiwanuka, Ottke, Vanderpool, Branco, Sheika, Harmon, Gonzalez...all these guys found a way to beat him but Roy couldn't.

And to make matters 1000 times worse Roy got beat the F*** unconcious. They're just the facts.

If Roy was so good he would of never lost to a guy like that. Let alone get beat the F*** unconcious. They're just the facts.

So i suppose Tyson losing to journeyman Douglas or Tyson losing to Williams makes him bad and wasn't great in his prime ??

Jones had lost his reflexes speed and confidence thats pretty obvisious how many greats have lost to fighters when there past there prime ?? Robinson even lost Terry Downes so does that make him not good or not great in his prime ??

Jones just like many greats have lost to fighters they wouldn't of in there prime that still doesn't take away how amazing Jones was.

OK, so going by your reckoning.. Sheikas win over Johnson doesn't mean S*** - cos there's excuses, Johnsons win over Roy doesn't mean S*** - cos there's excuses...That can go on forever.

You can make excuses for anyones wins or losses.

Jones win over Toney doesn't mean S***.. Toney was weight funked. Jones win over Hopkins doesn't mean S***.. Hopkins was green. Excuses, excuses, excuses....

Your just talking nonsense now i was giving you examples of great fighters losing to fighters while being past there prime that they wouldn't have in there prime its obvisious Jones was past his prime its not an excuse all you have to do is watch a prime Jones then go watch that version of Jones who fought Johnson and see the difference and Toney was p4p top 5 and was 44-0 yes your right Fenster Jones victory over him means nothing

You do know Toney always has trouble with weight right ??

So Robinson losing to Downes while past his prime is an excuse ?? Tyson losing to Williams while past his prime is an excuse ?? so by logic every great fighter who is past there prime and loses is an excuse so i suppose saying Ali was past his prime vs Berbick is an excuse aswell ??

[Fenster]

I'm just giving you the facts, ICB.

Johnson was basically nothing but a S*** journeyman with lots of losses - Hopkins, Sosa, Kiwanuka, Ottke, Vanderpool, Branco, Sheika, Harmon, Gonzalez...all these guys found a way to beat him but Roy couldn't.

And to make matters 1000 times worse Roy got beat the F*** unconcious. They're just the facts.

If Roy was so good he would of never lost to a guy like that. Let alone get beat the F*** unconcious. They're just the facts.

So i suppose Tyson losing to journeyman Douglas or Tyson losing to Williams makes him bad and wasn't great in his prime ??

Jones had lost his reflexes speed and confidence thats pretty obvisious how many greats have lost to fighters when there past there prime ?? Robinson even lost Terry Downes so does that make him not good or not great in his prime ??

Jones just like many greats have lost to fighters they wouldn't of in there prime that still doesn't take away how amazing Jones was.

OK, so going by your reckoning.. Sheikas win over Johnson doesn't mean S*** - cos there's excuses, Johnsons win over Roy doesn't mean S*** - cos there's excuses...That can go on forever.

You can make excuses for anyones wins or losses.

Jones win over Toney doesn't mean S***.. Toney was weight funked. Jones win over Hopkins doesn't mean S***.. Hopkins was green. Excuses, excuses, excuses....

Your just talking nonsense now i was giving you examples of great fighters losing to fighters while being past there prime that they wouldn't have in there prime its obvisious Jones was past his prime its not an excuse all you have to do is watch a prime Jones then go watch that version of Jones who fought Johnson and see the difference and Toney was p4p top 5 and was 44-0 yes your right Fenster Jones victory over him means nothing

You do know Toney always has trouble with weight right ??

Yep.

I'm just showing you excuses can be made for anyone.

Why do you rate Clinton Woods as one of Jones better wins?

[ICB]

I'm just giving you the facts, ICB.

Johnson was basically nothing but a S*** journeyman with lots of losses - Hopkins, Sosa, Kiwanuka, Ottke, Vanderpool, Branco, Sheika, Harmon, Gonzalez...all these guys found a way to beat him but Roy couldn't.

And to make matters 1000 times worse Roy got beat the F*** unconcious. They're just the facts.

If Roy was so good he would of never lost to a guy like that. Let alone get beat the F*** unconcious. They're just the facts.

So i suppose Tyson losing to journeyman Douglas or Tyson losing to Williams makes him bad and wasn't great in his prime ??

Jones had lost his reflexes speed and confidence thats pretty obvisious how many greats have lost to fighters when there past there prime ?? Robinson even lost Terry Downes so does that make him not good or not great in his prime ??

Jones just like many greats have lost to fighters they wouldn't of in there prime that still doesn't take away how amazing Jones was.

OK, so going by your reckoning.. Sheikas win over Johnson doesn't mean S*** - cos there's excuses, Johnsons win over Roy doesn't mean S*** - cos there's excuses...That can go on forever.

You can make excuses for anyones wins or losses.

Jones win over Toney doesn't mean S***.. Toney was weight funked. Jones win over Hopkins doesn't mean S***.. Hopkins was green. Excuses, excuses, excuses....

Your just talking nonsense now i was giving you examples of great fighters losing to fighters while being past there prime that they wouldn't have in there prime its obvisious Jones was past his prime its not an excuse all you have to do is watch a prime Jones then go watch that version of Jones who fought Johnson and see the difference and Toney was p4p top 5 and was 44-0 yes your right Fenster Jones victory over him means nothing

You do know Toney always has trouble with weight right ??

Yep.

I'm just showing you excuses can be made for anyone.

Why do you rate Clinton Woods as one of Jones better wins?

I rate that goodish win not one of his better wins Griffin, Toney, Hopkins, Hill, Ruiz, Pazienza, I would say them victorys are Jones better wins.

[Fenster]

Ok, well ive seen you list Woods as one of Jones better wins plenty of times...

What are Hopkins best wins?