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No he thought Pavlik was spent, if he thought taylor was, hed have realised that he wouldnt have the energy to put a spurt on.

Taylor just isnt that good, how many other champs have there evry defence descision questioned ? and from smaller fighters

cc bro, I dont understand the denial here. It seems Jermains fans give more excuses than Jermain did. I like Jermain but he is a good fighter not a great figter.

Like Apolo told Rocky in Rocky II ,"You fight great but Im a great fighter" ha ha ha
This is just nonsense. I'm not really even a Taylor fan, but if you go 36 rounds with Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins, two of the top 5 p4p fighters in the world at the time and two defensive masters, and you fight them to stand still, you are a damn good fighter. Period. Even if you didn't score those fights for him (I had him narrowly losing Hopkins I and Wright and winning Hopkins II), anyone with sense knows the fights were razor close. Now, the Ouma and Spinks fights were bad; the Spinks fight in particular was a terrible job of match-making by DiBella, I knew the moment that fight was announced it would be a stinker. So, Taylor deserves some criticism for those fights (especially the Ouma fight because Kassim comes at you straight ahead) but also his team for putting him in there with Spinks who was a bad matchup from the beginning. Still, like I said, his fights with Hopkins and Wright prove he's a good fighter as he stood in there and fought them to a stand still at worst. Another thing is that saying Taylor's a bum takes something away from Pavlik...after all, all he did was beat a bum, right?