Fighters You Think Who Took A Dive

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He fell like he stumbled over his feet, then a few seconds later he acted like "he got shot with a cannon" (to quote Chuvalo).

I know it was ridiculous the way he was stubbling around it was very bad acting on Liston's part.

Ali did better against liston than holmes would've..........

Probably but Holmes would of still beat Liston no question i remember Holmes beating up on Ali in there sparring match before Rumble In The Jungle

Which again was nothing more than holmes beating up on a past-it ali.

Ali didn't steal a win against doug jones, we already established that. Henry cooper couldn't beat ali and ali proved it was a fluke in the rematch by beating him by way of cut without "unpadded gloves and smelling salts". If the first liston fight was rigged, liston wouldn't have been trying so hard for the knockout in round 4 (or 5) when ali had trouble seeing. Liston never once had ali in trouble except for when he couldn't see in their first fight. He knocked out ron lyle (who was ahead at the time on the score cards) and it wasn't a bad or fixed stoppage. There is no controversy with ali inside the ring, he beat everybody he beat and if someone took a dive against him, all they did was save themselves from the embarrasment that would've happened later in the fight anyway. Next.......

I didn't say first Liston fight was fixed but i believe Liston took a dive in 2nd fight but thats my opinion you know what my favorite Ali fight is ?? the one with Clevand Williams he was like poetry in motion that night infact im watching it again now his movement reflexes were so damn good i think that version of Ali would of beaten prime Tyson like a bad habit.

Watch the tyson-berbick knockdown. It looks exactly the same. It doesn't even look like tyson connects (it looks like he just grazes his head) and then a few second later berbick drops to the ground. Yet no one EVER calls that knockdown into question...... Trust me it doesn't even look like tyson connects good and berbicks movements are exactly the same as listons.

Haven't seen that for awhile but Tyson was battering Berbick from pillar to post and i seem to remember a short chopping left hook inside then Berbick went down but it was a delayed reaction i'll get the footage up.