Did you enjoy the Manny fight? I didnt,both fighters looked poor....

[El Gamo]

I take it back though,I do feel some satisfaction from winning some sig bets. Where the heck are you Preme,stop hiding!

It'll be interesting to see what Manny does from here. Anyone hear from the press conferece? Here are some quotes:

Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddy Roach, told the media, “Manny’s speed and power was too much for him, but Marco Antonio Barrera is very tough and resilient.

“Manny was fighting a smarter fight tonight. Speed and power is not enough to stay in the game long enough. He’s bringing more to the table than being ferocious.”
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/FIG...fight-oct6.htm

Whilst Roach is right that speed and power wont keep Manny at the top,can anyone ever seen Manny being a slick boxer? I dam sure as hell can't. I really didn't see him bringing more to the table. Talk to me people,I want your thoughts.

[Kev]

I didn't think it was a terrible fight, certainly pleasant viewing for an hour but it wasn't particularly exciting.

Really from the first bell it looked as if a Pacquiao decision was the way it was going to go. Only occaisionally did MAB really try and engage and each time Pacquaio upped the tempo and forced Barrera back into a defensive mode.

I don't really criticise Pacquiao though, he won the fight clearly and was never troubled at all. He basically kept his nose clean and won an easy decision setting up bigger fights further down the road.

It reminded me a lot of the third Tarver Jones fight in that like Jones Barrera clearly had it in mind that going the distance would be a victory of sorts.

To that end he worked well, rarely looking in trouble and went out able to say he easily hung with the best little fighter in the world.

I'm not too critical of either really but then I wasn't especially looking forward to the fight anyway and I didn't pay to see it.

[Chutebox]

I take it back though,I do feel some satisfaction from winning some sig bets. Where the heck are you Preme,stop hiding!

It'll be interesting to see what Manny does from here. Anyone hear from the press conferece? Here are some quotes:

Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddy Roach, told the media, “Manny’s speed and power was too much for him, but Marco Antonio Barrera is very tough and resilient.

“Manny was fighting a smarter fight tonight. Speed and power is not enough to stay in the game long enough. He’s bringing more to the table than being ferocious.”
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/FIG...fight-oct6.htm

Whilst Roach is right that speed and power wont keep Manny at the top,can anyone ever seen Manny being a slick boxer? I dam sure as hell can't. I really didn't see him bringing more to the table. Talk to me people,I want your thoughts.

Noticed that as well last night. He throws alot of lesser power lead left straights and steps out to the side more nowadays. Uses the jab and bit more and actually throws right hooks. His head movement and overall defense makes it possible for him to adapt.

[KKisser]

i notice that pac abandoned his jab jab straight combo and relied solely on move head left-right then pop a fast straight. is that the new manila ice? ehehehe well it worked a little but its not as effective as his old combo.

i think its just a bad case of mab to scared to get KD/KO and pac not confident with his stamina cause of troubles with his weight. both were gun shy but mab has more to lose.

agree, you also have to consider that 2 o pac's 3 losses was when he was weight drained and he got stopped both times. pac was also specially wary of marco's head and other foul tactics he might employ.

other than winning the fight, it was a good ending to barrera's career though.

[El Gamo]

I didn't think it was a terrible fight, certainly pleasant viewing for an hour but it wasn't particularly exciting.

Really from the first bell it looked as if a Pacquiao decision was the way it was going to go. Only occaisionally did MAB really try and engage and each time Pacquaio upped the tempo and forced Barrera back into a defensive mode.

I don't really criticise Pacquiao though, he won the fight clearly and was never troubled at all. He basically kept his nose clean and won an easy decision setting up bigger fights further down the road.

It reminded me a lot of the third Tarver Jones fight in that like Jones Barrera clearly had it in mind that going the distance would be a victory of sorts.

To that end he worked well, rarely looking in trouble and went out able to say he easily hung with the best little fighter in the world.

I'm not too critical of either really but then I wasn't especially looking forward to the fight anyway and I didn't pay to see it.

Your expectations were low from the start so pbviously you were not going to be dissappointed. I thought we were going to see a scintillating Manny show,a re affirment of his status as a top 2 fighter in the world.

And LMAO:@ likening it to Jones v Tarver 3,I always have that down as one of the worst fights of all time. I don't think this fight was that bad although after repeated viewing, I'm confident in saying it was clear MAB was there to survive.

i notice that pac abandoned his jab jab straight combo and relied solely on move head left-right then pop a fast straight. is that the new manila ice? ehehehe well it worked a little but its not as effective as his old combo.

i think its just a bad case of mab to scared to get KD/KO and pac not confident with his stamina cause of troubles with his weight. both were gun shy but mab has more to lose.

agree, you also have to consider that 2 o pac's 3 losses was when he was weight drained and he got stopped both times. pac was also specially wary of marco's head and other foul tactics he might employ.

other than winning the fight, it was a good ending to barrera's career though.

Were you impressed by Manny KK or you letting this one slide? I didn't think of it like that but you could be right,maby Manny was scared he would get KTFO because his other losses came because of being weight drained? Awesome point. He still looked really poor though.

[KKisser]

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like shit last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

if you've seen most of pac's fight, you'd observed that he usually doesn't do very well in significant fights when he's overwhelmingly favored to win as oppose to turning in some of his best performance when he's the underdog. so imo that played a role in this fight aside from the fact that he was weight drained and mab fighting on survival mode. i'm sure we'll see a different pac next time around when the odds are just about even or just slightly in his favor, better if it were stacked against him.

[SigmaMu]

I was ready to stop watching after the 9th. As soon as the fight was over, I shut her down. I did not even stick around to listen to the results I went straight to bed. I knew who won.

[:::PSL:::]

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

Pac can't always please everybody. If you think Pac was boring last night, then what do you think no.1 p4p Floyd? Pac just didn't get the fight he wanted last night coz MAB was very cautious to trade.

Anyways, I'm just happy that FINALLY!... Pac won by a decision in US. He dominated most of the rounds, connected more, and inflicted more damages. JMM could'nt beat MAB convincingly, but Pac did it TWICE.

[El Gamo]

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like shit last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

if you've seen most of pac's fight, you'd observed that he usually doesn't do very well in significant fights when he's overwhelmingly favored to win as oppose to turning in some of his best performance when he's the underdog. so imo that played a role in this fight aside from the fact that he was weight drained and mab fighting on survival mode. i'm sure we'll see a different pac next time around when the odds are just about even or just slightly in his favor, better if it were stacked against him.

I have to disagree with that. He was almost a big a favourite to beat Morales the third time and he looked very good. He was favourite v Solis,demolished him. Ditto Velasquez.The second Morales fight 50-50,it was an amazing performance from Manny. I don't buy the favourite line,those are all significant fights and he did well in them,as the favourite.

He should have been able to cut off MAB and pin him on the ropes alot more. Surely in sparring they must have presumed MAB would move(possibly alot more than that!_) and worked on cutting it off..

I was ready to stop watching after the 9th. As soon as the fight was over, I shut her down. I did not even stick around to listen to the results I went straight to bed. I knew who won.

lol,so it'as safe to say you thought the fight was shit?

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

Pac can't always please everybody. If you think Pac was boring last night, then what do you think no.1 p4p Floyd? Pac just didn't get the fight he wanted last night coz MAB was very cautious to trade.

Anyways, I'm just happy that FINALLY!... Pac won by a decision in US. He dominated most of the rounds, connected more, and inflicted more damages. JMM could'nt beat MAB convincingly, but Pac did it TWICE.

Pac can't always please but if ever there was a fight to please people in,it was this one. Fighting an older fighter,past his prime,someone he has already KTFO,Manny being hyped as supposedly being in his prime,and he gives us that.

Say what you want about Mayweather but he turned up the heat on Oscar in those last 4 rounds and hurt Oscar more than Manny hurt MAB.Neither fight was amazingly exciting and I like Manny more than I like Floyd but I'm not having double standards. There were threads slaughtering Mayweather after the Oscar fight, Manny didn't look too good to me either.

Imagine Mayweather fighting Oscar,beating him,knocking him out and then fighting him again.And imagine the second fight being a shit performance and a boring fight? There would be an uproar!!!

[LEGION]

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

if you've seen most of pac's fight, you'd observed that he usually doesn't do very well in significant fights when he's overwhelmingly favored to win as oppose to turning in some of his best performance when he's the underdog. so imo that played a role in this fight aside from the fact that he was weight drained and mab fighting on survival mode. i'm sure we'll see a different pac next time around when the odds are just about even or just slightly in his favor, better if it were stacked against him.

I have to disagree with that. He was almost a big a favourite to beat Morales the third time and he looked very good. He was favourite v Solis,demolished him. Ditto Velasquez.The second Morales fight 50-50,it was an amazing performance from Manny. I don't buy the favourite line,those are all significant fights and he did well in them,as the favourite.

He should have been able to cut off MAB and pin him on the ropes alot more. Surely in sparring they must have presumed MAB would move(possibly alot more than that!_) and worked on cutting it off..

I was ready to stop watching after the 9th. As soon as the fight was over, I shut her down. I did not even stick around to listen to the results I went straight to bed. I knew who won.

lol,so it'as safe to say you thought the fight was S***?

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

Pac can't always please everybody. If you think Pac was boring last night, then what do you think no.1 p4p Floyd? Pac just didn't get the fight he wanted last night coz MAB was very cautious to trade.

Anyways, I'm just happy that FINALLY!... Pac won by a decision in US. He dominated most of the rounds, connected more, and inflicted more damages. JMM could'nt beat MAB convincingly, but Pac did it TWICE.

Pac can't always please but if ever there was a fight to please people in,it was this one. Fighting an older fighter,past his prime,someone he has already KTFO,Manny being hyped as supposedly being in his prime,and he gives us that.

Say what you want about Mayweather but he turned up the heat on Oscar in those last 4 rounds and hurt Oscar more than Manny hurt MAB.Neither fight was amazingly exciting and I like Manny more than I like Floyd but I'm not having double standards. There were threads slaughtering Mayweather after the Oscar fight, Manny didn't look too good to me either.

Imagine Mayweather fighting Oscar,beating him,knocking him out and then fighting him again.And imagine the second fight being a S*** performance and a boring fight? There would be an uproar!!!

I tend to agree. I don't want to sound like sour grapes because I lost my bet, but Pacman could have been much more aggressive and made a more exciting fight of it; as MAB could have also. In Pac's defense, I wonder what it's like for him to practically be a King in his native country and all the things that go with his type fame, and wonder if it has affected his focus now. Will be interesting to see his next fight.

[josef4334]

what about the headbutt guys? i replayed the fight over and over again. would you think it was a punch that landed or that maybe MAB hit his head on pac's elbow while trying to clinch? but was barerra dirty? he hit low like about 4 times this fight.

[:::PSL:::]

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

if you've seen most of pac's fight, you'd observed that he usually doesn't do very well in significant fights when he's overwhelmingly favored to win as oppose to turning in some of his best performance when he's the underdog. so imo that played a role in this fight aside from the fact that he was weight drained and mab fighting on survival mode. i'm sure we'll see a different pac next time around when the odds are just about even or just slightly in his favor, better if it were stacked against him.

I have to disagree with that. He was almost a big a favourite to beat Morales the third time and he looked very good. He was favourite v Solis,demolished him. Ditto Velasquez.The second Morales fight 50-50,it was an amazing performance from Manny. I don't buy the favourite line,those are all significant fights and he did well in them,as the favourite.

He should have been able to cut off MAB and pin him on the ropes alot more. Surely in sparring they must have presumed MAB would move(possibly alot more than that!_) and worked on cutting it off..

I was ready to stop watching after the 9th. As soon as the fight was over, I shut her down. I did not even stick around to listen to the results I went straight to bed. I knew who won.

lol,so it'as safe to say you thought the fight was S***?

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

Pac can't always please everybody. If you think Pac was boring last night, then what do you think no.1 p4p Floyd? Pac just didn't get the fight he wanted last night coz MAB was very cautious to trade.

Anyways, I'm just happy that FINALLY!... Pac won by a decision in US. He dominated most of the rounds, connected more, and inflicted more damages. JMM could'nt beat MAB convincingly, but Pac did it TWICE.

Pac can't always please but if ever there was a fight to please people in,it was this one. Fighting an older fighter,past his prime,someone he has already KTFO,Manny being hyped as supposedly being in his prime,and he gives us that.

Say what you want about Mayweather but he turned up the heat on Oscar in those last 4 rounds and hurt Oscar more than Manny hurt MAB.Neither fight was amazingly exciting and I like Manny more than I like Floyd but I'm not having double standards. There were threads slaughtering Mayweather after the Oscar fight, Manny didn't look too good to me either.

Imagine Mayweather fighting Oscar,beating him,knocking him out and then fighting him again.And imagine the second fight being a S*** performance and a boring fight? There would be an uproar!!!

Both Manny and Marco fought a different fight compare to their first one. Pac did an excellent job not to be counterpunched and avoid jabs. And MAB was smart enough to conserve his energy to survive 12 rounds. Marco difinitely learned from Erik's mistake if you know what I mean.

[:::PSL:::]

what about the headbutt guys? i replayed the fight over and over again. would you think it was a punch that landed or that maybe MAB hit his head on pac's elbow while trying to clinch? but was barerra dirty? he hit low like about 4 times this fight.

That was 100% caused by a left hook from Pac.

[KKisser]

i notice that pac abandoned his jab jab straight combo and relied solely on move head left-right then pop a fast straight. is that the new manila ice? ehehehe well it worked a little but its not as effective as his old combo.

i think its just a bad case of mab to scared to get KD/KO and pac not confident with his stamina cause of troubles with his weight. both were gun shy but mab has more to lose.

agree, you also have to consider that 2 o pac's 3 losses was when he was weight drained and he got stopped both times. pac was also specially wary of marco's head and other foul tactics he might employ.

other than winning the fight, it was a good ending to barrera's career though.

Were you impressed by Manny KK or you letting this one slide? I didn't think of it like that but you could be right,maby Manny was scared he would get KTFO because his other losses came because of being weight drained? Awesome point. He still looked really poor though.

i was deeply disappointed as well but then i figured it had something to do with the things i mentioned. remember i was already concern about manny's being weight drained prior to the fight. turned out he was 3 lbs over the weight limit friday, lost 2 lbs on the threadmill then struggled to lose the last lb hours before the weigh-in. i think training in the philippines was a mistake cos manny never had problems making weight for superfeather before and usually comes in safely under the limit.

you have to understand about manny is that he's mostly really not the superior fighter over his opponents technically. he usually swamps his opponents with his speed, power and relentlessness and forces them to engage in powershots which is really quite exhausting. then his advantage of having the better conditioning and natural stamina takes over plus the fact that he's got the heart of a champion and is usually not afraid to stand toe to toe with anybody and being a natural athlete augers him well. so when the strong point of his game isn't a hundred percent then his performance would suffer significantly. roach is still working on the technical side of his game and is still a work in progress.

[:::PSL:::]

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

if you've seen most of pac's fight, you'd observed that he usually doesn't do very well in significant fights when he's overwhelmingly favored to win as oppose to turning in some of his best performance when he's the underdog. so imo that played a role in this fight aside from the fact that he was weight drained and mab fighting on survival mode. i'm sure we'll see a different pac next time around when the odds are just about even or just slightly in his favor, better if it were stacked against him.

I have to disagree with that. He was almost a big a favourite to beat Morales the third time and he looked very good. He was favourite v Solis,demolished him. Ditto Velasquez.The second Morales fight 50-50,it was an amazing performance from Manny. I don't buy the favourite line,those are all significant fights and he did well in them,as the favourite.

He should have been able to cut off MAB and pin him on the ropes alot more. Surely in sparring they must have presumed MAB would move(possibly alot more than that!_) and worked on cutting it off..

I was ready to stop watching after the 9th. As soon as the fight was over, I shut her down. I did not even stick around to listen to the results I went straight to bed. I knew who won.

lol,so it'as safe to say you thought the fight was S***?

I need to get this off my chest. That was a poor poor fight. 1 round was exciting,5 I think. Manny Pacquiao was very very poor. There is NO WAY I can call him the second best fighter in the world. Absolutely not. His balance was woeful. His combinations were terrible. Where was the right hand? His jab wand head movement were good but overall,he seemed so shy,so reticent.

MAB seemed content to survive. Even his corner told him to pick up the pace at 1 point and told him to do more!The scoring was woeful in the sense that it was way too exagerrated in favour of Manny but I had him winning. Roach was poor in the corner too,he didn't inject any sense of urgency into Manny.

I think the fame,the lifestyle has finally gotten to Manny. Put that version of Manny in with Soto,Guzman,JMM,he loses.Those guys are firing on all cylinders. Heck Valero would have given him hell.

Thank goodness for the war between Yusuf Mack and Librado Andrade on the undercard!!! And the McCline Peter and Santos Rivera fights. Far more exciting.

Totally agree. Manny looked like S*** last night...BUT...everyone does have a bad night.

CC back,everyone has a bad night but if you're P4P,you're going to judged a little bit harsher. If you're fighting a guy you KTFO before,again,the criteria ge4ts harsher. If the guy you are fighting just wants to survive,that puches the envelope even further. I hope Manny gets his fire back but maybe he has reached his peak,maybe the fame,the pressure and all the other distractions have gotten to him? We'll find out next fight but if I was JMM/GUZMAN/SOTO,I'd want him now!

Pac can't always please everybody. If you think Pac was boring last night, then what do you think no.1 p4p Floyd? Pac just didn't get the fight he wanted last night coz MAB was very cautious to trade.

Anyways, I'm just happy that FINALLY!... Pac won by a decision in US. He dominated most of the rounds, connected more, and inflicted more damages. JMM could'nt beat MAB convincingly, but Pac did it TWICE.

Pac can't always please but if ever there was a fight to please people in,it was this one. Fighting an older fighter,past his prime,someone he has already KTFO,Manny being hyped as supposedly being in his prime,and he gives us that.

Say what you want about Mayweather but he turned up the heat on Oscar in those last 4 rounds and hurt Oscar more than Manny hurt MAB.Neither fight was amazingly exciting and I like Manny more than I like Floyd but I'm not having double standards. There were threads slaughtering Mayweather after the Oscar fight, Manny didn't look too good to me either.

Imagine Mayweather fighting Oscar,beating him,knocking him out and then fighting him again.And imagine the second fight being a S*** performance and a boring fight? There would be an uproar!!!

I tend to agree. I don't want to sound like sour grapes because I lost my bet, but Pacman could have been much more aggressive and made a more exciting fight of it; as MAB could have also. In Pac's defense, I wonder what it's like for him to practically be a King in his native country and all the things that go with his type fame, and wonder if it has affected his focus now. Will be interesting to see his next fight.

Agreed.

Pac must get his sh*t straight before he face his next opponent. He must FULLY train next time. I wish he would stop his wild lifestyle and concentrate more in boxing rather than womanizing, gambling, politics... and STOP making record albums and movies... pleeaaassseee!!!