He did put a beat down on Joe... but Joe's style was made for that... like driving a jeep into a freight train. he had heart and strength but that alone isn't going to make him a top 3 all time great heavyweight. He was very limited in terms of boxing. Which does make his later acheivements even more outstanding. top 10, maybe even top 5.

Maybe I'm just upset because the new george foreman grill we got is shite compared to the old one.