Some Knowledge For That A**!!

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For those that want to continue the argument of Evander Holyfield being an all time great heavyweight........................



Do you know what Holyfield's record as a HEAVYWEIGHT is??






































24 wins
9 losses (that's not a type-o, he really does have 9 losses )
2 draws




Wow! 24-9-2





Has there ever been a more overrated fighter in the history of boxing??

Nope.


















































Hail Sultan!

If Holyfield is that overrated what does that make Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis ??

Tyson was incredibly shot after his prison stint. People who actually follow the sport (not band wagon jumpers like you ) know this.



And Lennox Lewis (who I have also said is overrated many times in the past) accounted for 1 of his draws and 1 of his astonishing 9 losses, so I don't see where you're headed with that.

Tyson was incredibly shot after his prison stint. People who actually follow the sport (not band wagon jumpers like you ) know this.
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people who follow the sport would also know Holyfield was also past his prime and having heart problems in Moorer fight and had Heptias A in 3rd Bowe fight wasn't it ?? and looking garbage in these fights where as Tyson was KO everyone out in 3 rounds or less thats why out of 42 boxing experts only 1 had Holyfield winning because of the fact that Holyfield looked garbage and a shot fighter in his fights with Moorer and Bowe where as people were saying Tyson was back to his best because of his impressive KO's i love when people say Tyson was past his prime and forget the fact that Holyfield was older than Tyson and was also just as much past his prime as Tyson was.

Are you seriously trying to say that Holyfield was past his prime in 1994??


Tell me then, Owned....


What span was Holyfield's heavyweight "prime," that puts him up there with the all time great heavyweights??



That doesn't mean "Well if Holyfield didn't haveinsert medical condition/injury here he would have beaten insert name of fighter here"


When was his prime? and I'm not talking about cruiserweight Holyfield, we're talking about "All Time Great," heavyweight Holyfield.

Up until this point.... all you Holyfield fans seem to do is speculate who would have won these fights IF Holyfield didn't have whatever ailment that prevented him from winning these fights.

Are you seriously trying to say that Holyfield was past his prime in 1994??

Thats why everyone was saying plus there was legit reason he lost Moorer fight and everyone was saying he looked like shot fighter in Moorer fight.

What span was Holyfield's heavyweight "prime," that puts him up there with the all time great heavyweights??

I would say 1989 to 1993 was his prime but after that he had an up and down career and i wouldn't put him up there with all time great Heavyweights i have never said that but he is still a great fighter.


Up until this point.... all you Holyfield fans seem to do is speculate who would have won these fights IF Holyfield didn't have whatever ailment that prevented him from winning these fights.

Its just common sense Holyfield was having bad problems with his heart and shoulder injury in 1st Moorer fight thats obvisious and Moorer still only won MD.

And as for 3rd Bowe fight both men didn't look that good at all Holyfield had hepitius A and was huffing and puffing like an old man only after 2 rounds there was something definetly wrong and Bowe just looked like beached whale Holyfield had Bowe gone in the 6th round but could not finish him because he didn't have energy because of his problem im not saying he could of won it but both men were just a shell of themselves in that fight thats all there is to it and Holyfield looked like shot fighter in 3rd Bowe fight thats why no one gave him a chance against Tyson.

Then why are you debating with me on this issue??




This is a thread that's devoted to proving that Evander Holyfield IS NOT an "all time great," heavyweight.

No this thread is about you putting down a great fighter like Holyfield what did he ever do so wrong for you too hate him so much ?? and yet you are a fan of a fighter like Judah who is totally disrespectful and a nasty piece of work and can never back up what he claims i just don't get you at all.

There you go again..............


Throwing around greatness to fighters that don't deserve it.



As for Zab Judah, I like him based on his potential and what I think he COULD be (nobody can argue that Zab has potential), but you don't hear me saying that he's some all-time great.


Anyways......


This thread is about Evander Holyfield not being an "all-time great," so I'm having a hard time seeing why you start throwing Zab's name around when he was never in this discussion in the first place. Unless, of course, you lost your a** in this debate and have now resorted to bringing up stuff that's completely irrelevant to what we were discussing in the first place, in some desperate attempt to save yourself some foolishness.


Or maybe that's not the case at all



Who knows.............?







































Hail Sultan!

This thread is about Evander Holyfield not being an "all-time great," so I'm having a hard time seeing why you start throwing Zab's name around when he was never in this discussion in the first place. Unless, of course, you lost your a** in this debate and have now resorted to bringing up stuff that's completely irrelevant to what we were discussing in the first place, in some desperate attempt to save yourself some foolishness.

Nope it isn't its another one of your hate threads how many times do you put down Margarito and Holyfield ?? you never stop and i throw Judah's name around because he is one of your favorite fighters and he is disrespectful moron and fouls fighters like Mayweather with lows blows and back of the head shots when he is losing taking the cowards way out i don't know how anyone can be a fan of a fighter like that.

you lost your a** in this debate and have now resorted to bringing up stuff that's completely irrelevant to what we were discussing in the first place, in some desperate attempt to save yourself some foolishness

Lost my a** in this debate ?? you lost with your first foolish post everyone thinks your posts on this thread is nonsense and everyone knows your just a hater if you want to keep going with this debate we can go all day and night if you want i will keep giving you the facts and showing you up all you do is keep bringing up losses and forget to mention Holyfield was 40+ and you know why you don't bring it up ?? because your a hater and want to try and tarnish Holyfield's record even more when there is no need to kick a man when he is down especially when Holyfield is a great fighter and a proud man.


Or maybe that's not the case at all

The case is your a hater and your posts on this thread are total nonsense.

If he decides to continue fighting over 40 years of age, then that's on him.

Funny that earlier in the thread you mentioned that Holyfield's prime was between 1989 and 1993........


He was one and one with Riddick Bowe (even though he got a total gift decision in his win) and had a victory over George Foreman.


Oh wait!!!!!!



Foreman was over 40, so I guess that doesn't count right?? Or does it?? Please explain this age double standard that you're clinging to?