Some Knowledge For That A**!!

[Kev]

Holyfield is a blown up cruiser. He didn't belong in the heavy's to begin with and he fought the best of his era, beat most of them, or put on a hell of a fight. If you remember he was diagnosed with a defective heart valve. This was during the Moorer fight and Bowe 3rd fight. Somehow it was healed prior to the Tyson fight and my opinion all along was that Holyfield should have retired after that fight.

Sadly he is still fighting and has been way past his best. The list of fighters he lost to are almost all former champions. These were pretty much all championship fights. Get real. Because he didn't dodge fighters and have matchmakers put him in with only fighters to pad his record, he's got losses. I hate to break it too you but if every fighter fought the highest competetion they would have multiple losses on their records. It's life. No one is really that dominate over another person. MMA is much more realistic in matchups than boxing. All the champs have multiple losses. It's because they fight stiffer competetion more often.

Holyfield is an all time great because of who he's fought, how he fought, and the accomplishments of his career. In addition he hasn't allowed losses to get him down. How many fighters disappear after a loss? Most writers say they should retire whenever they lose. While I think Holyfield should retire, he is amazing in his perserverance.

CC,an excellent post. The only think I'll ask is,I think Frozensolid is saying that Evander is not an ATG HW(Right Frozen?) You've said he's an atll time great,but is he one at HW? Excellent analogy with MMA,I really liked that point.

I've never denied that Holyfield is one of the best (maybe the best) cruiserweights of all time, but what thbis debate is about, is people that consider Holyfield an all-time great heavyweight. Being an all time great heavyweight is a hell of a lot more monumental than being an all time great cruiser weight.

I think I've done a fine job in making my case so far

Holyfield IS an all time great at heavyweight, he's the ONLY 4 time heavyweight champ, he beat Mike Tyson twice, had wins over Larry Holmes and George Foreman and had a great trilogy with Riddick Bowe.

He has fought EVERY single great heavyweight that was available for him to fight, Holmes, Foreman, Tyson, Bowe, Lewis who else aside from the likes of Ali, Frazier and Foreman can say that?

Frazier got annihilated twice by Foreman I guess he's not great either?

Ali fought the best and had losses to Norton and Frazier and then went on too long and lost to the like of Trevor Berbick and Leon Spinks, is he not great either?

I feel it's pointless even to enter into a discussion with you as you clearly have the cranial capacity of a hedgehog but I'm reminding myself that we should see the person and not the disability.