Quote Originally Posted by brucelee
Mayweather fought legit Welterweight champion of the world Baldomir you can't expect him to do legendary things at Welterweight with only 3 fights at Welterweight but he has still fought quality opposition at Welterweight.


Whoever said Mayweather was as great as Robinson ?? your turning this debate into about Robinson vs Mayweather this debate is about Welterweight eras you keep going off topic Mayweather has only had 38 fights and has won 5 World titles in 5 different weight divisions thats something not even Robinson done and thats damn impressive in only 38 pro fights all i was saying is that Robinson's Welterweight era is not as strong as Welterweight era now and i have proven it isn't thats what im supposed to be debating about and so far i have proven it.

First and foremost, you're saying now that these alphabet titles matters? yeah 5 different weight divisions? Against a SLUGGISH Baldomir after he ducked Margarito? MAybe you haven't read my last comment regarding MAyweather ducking MArgarito. Let me repeat my story ( I added these lines after I posted my earlier rebuttal).

By the way, mayweather did duck Margarito. He rejected an $8Million dollar offer to fight margarito in 2006 and decided to go up to fight De LA hoya but ODLH postponed the fight to 2007 so he decided to fight Cory Spinks but it did not push through coz of Spinks mandatory defense. So he decided to fight Baldomir coz he was already in the bad light.

yeah, there maybe great fighters in the welterweight division now but does it automatically make the division better than before? I am focusing with Mayweather coz ,for you, he symbolizes the best boxer in this era.

What purpose does it serve to have great boxers when what you consider the best boxer is ducking another boxer? You mean, that will make this era better than before?

So Mayweather fought legit fighters? The question is how did he perform? Ohhh, by outpointing a SLUGGISH Baldomir. have you seen his fight with Judah? I've posted the video. Try to watch it again and boldly say his performance was impressive.

CAn you explain to me why the win of Mayweather over Shamba impressive? Williams had done it in the 4th round. Mayweather in 6th.

Mayweather can't really be expected to do some legendary thing in the welterweight coz he lacks the courage possessed by Robinson.

Well considering Mayweather has only been a Welterweight for not even 2 years that is unfair and has only had 3 fights at Welterweight i think thats totally unfair arguement but he did beat.

So mayweather had 3 fights in the welterweight since 2004 to 2007. How great is that? Boxers during the time of Robinson and Basilio were fighting an average of 9-10 fights a year.

Topic:"The Welterweight division, better now than ever?"

When you talk about an era being great, you don't only talk about the number of "supposed great fighters". You talk about the quality of fights between these fighters.

So what makes the welterweight division exciting now? Mayweather? To be specific, what makes it better than ever now? The fighters you have mentioned who may be forgotten like the welters of the 80's?

I say, an era is better if its fighters can be remembered well. Robinson, Basilio and Duran had proven it already. The fighters you have mentioned still needs to be tested with time. Robinson is acclaimed as the number 1 all time great by most boxing fans.

First and foremost, you're saying now that these alphabet titles matters? yeah 5 different weight divisions? Against a SLUGGISH Baldomir after he ducked Margarito? MAybe you haven't read my last comment regarding MAyweather ducking MArgarito. Let me repeat my story ( I added these lines after I posted my earlier rebuttal)

Margarito hadn't beaten anyone Baldomir beat Judah and Gatti plus Baldomir was the legit Welterweight world champion thats a fact no matter what you say he earned that belt.

By the way, mayweather did duck Margarito. He rejected an $8Million dollar offer to fight margarito in 2006 and decided to go up to fight De LA hoya but ODLH postponed the fight to 2007 so he decided to fight Cory Spinks but it did not push through coz of Spinks mandatory defense. So he decided to fight Baldomir coz he was already in the bad light.

He got the same amount of money for the Baldomir fight the Margarito fight was not worth it the Baldomir fight needed to happen it was the right fight if Mayweather would of fought Margarito he would of got no credit plus you would of heard people saying he was ducking Baldomir you can't win with some people its simple Bruce Baldomir deserved the fight with Mayweather Margarito didn't.


yeah, there maybe great fighters in the welterweight division now but does it automatically make the division better than before? I am focusing with Mayweather coz ,for you, he symbolizes the best boxer in this era.

Its simple Bruce this Welterweight era has more quality fighters than Leonard's and Robinson's Welterweight era pretty simple let me put it in simple terms more quality fighters = better era its really as simple as that there is no need to just focuse it on Mayweather.

What purpose does it serve to have great boxers when what you consider the best boxer is ducking another boxer? You mean, that will make this era better than before?

What do you mean ducking ?? if your implying that at Mayweather he has hasn't ducked anyone if you really believe that Margarito BS go ahead but Mayweather fought the legit Welterweight champion for the same money it was the better fight to take and Mayweather took it simple.


CAn you explain to me why the win of Mayweather over Shamba impressive? Williams had done it in the 4th round. Mayweather in 6th.

Well it was Mayweather's first fight at Welterweight and Mitchell is quality opposition and Mayweather stopped Mitchell with body shot which was impressive.

Mayweather can't really be expected to do some legendary thing in the welterweight coz he lacks the courage possessed by Robinson.

Lack of courage ?? he is fighting Ricky Hatton who is 43-0 and you say Mayweather lacks courage ?? and didn't Mayweather also move up to Lightmiddleweight where he has never fought before and outbox Oscar De la hoya ?? thats just nonsense calling Mayweather a coward and if Mayweather wins Hatton fight he is fighting the winner of Cotto vs Mosley hardly a coward is it ??


So mayweather had 3 fights in the welterweight since 2004 to 2007. How great is that? Boxers during the time of Robinson and Basilio were fighting an average of 9-10 fights a year.

No it was 2005 to 2007 he fought at Welterweight and you also forget he moved up in weight to fight Oscar in that time and so what if Robinson and Basilo fought 9 or 10 times a year ?? it was different era it was common back then that doesn't make an era better.

When you talk about an era being great, you don't only talk about the number of "supposed great fighters". You talk about the quality of fights between these fighters.


And what your doing is unfair again Bruce because i am only mentioning 2007 im not mentioning a whole decade i could list many classic Welterweight fights in the last 7 years if you want but the fact of matter is there are more quality Welterweights in this era than there was in Leonard's and Robison's era and thats what the debate is about good fights are all well and good but the debate is about the amount of quality fighters in each Welterweight era thats why people say Ali's era was the best Heavyweight era ever for the amount of quality fighters in that era just like with this Welterweight era right now.



So what makes the welterweight division exciting now? Mayweather? To be specific, what makes it better than ever now? The fighters you have mentioned who may be forgotten like the welters of the 80's?

Theres plenty of exciting fighters in this Welterweight era more than Robinson's and Leonard's era i'll name em.

Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosley
Zab Judah
Andre Berto
Paul Williams
Antonio Margarito

All of these guys are exciting.

I say, an era is better if its fighters can be remembered well. Robinson, Basilio and Duran had proven it already. The fighters you have mentioned still needs to be tested with time. Robinson is acclaimed as the number 1 all time great by most boxing fans.

Most of the fighters in this Welterweight era will be remembered but the fact is Bruce and you obvisiously agree because you haven't said im wrong is that this Welterweight era was stronger than Leonard's and Robinson's because there are more quality fighters in this era agreed ??