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I find it hard to take Manfredo seriously at world level tho. The only step fight he took between up and comer and world level was a shot Scott Pemberton. There was very little time for growth there.
Alfonso Gomez seems to be making more of his chance with growth fights like Gatti etc. before jumping in with the elite.
so gatti's not shot?
and BELIEVE ME, if alfonso gomez was offered a title shot, he would take it before they even told him who he was fighting.
No i don't believe Gatti was shot. No doubt he was a shadow of his former self, but given the opportunity he would have loved to have put a beatdown on Gomez. Gatti wasn't shot, he was jus depreciated in quality to the point that he became an average fighter.

Scott pemberton on the other hand was shot, he showed little to no offense no aggression and he flailed when hit by Manfredo. This was the same guy who Lacy had to slug repeatedly at the start of their fight to get him to move backward.

And i wouldn't blame Gomez for taking a title shot at his nearest opportunity, he looked very good against Gatti and he's a hard worker. Why not give it a go.
Wait a minute.
Gatti isnt shot? but pemberton is?
Both guys were shells of the men they once were. Pemberton's wars with sheika, his lethal ko loss to lacy were devastating to his career and possible his health. He got crushed by peter manfredo easily. However look who gatti fought with, and if you can consider pemberton shot, and not gatti, i dont know what to tell ya but YOUR CRAZY.

Gatti's incredible wars with angel manfredy, oscar de la hoya, micky ward x3, also getting completely annihilated by PBF and carlos baldomir basically into submission, then to lose the way he did against alfonso gomez, where gomez sends gatti into retirement. And gatti isn't shot Give me break, he did nothing in that fight. to me he lost almost every round to gomez. He showed he had nothing left in the tank by round 4. and you tell me this is anywhere close to the guy who battled ward till the end in 3 epic battles? please please tell me how pemberton can be called shot, but gatti cant? gatti endured much more punishment in his career then pemberton ever did, and then lost to the same caliber competition as pemberton did. Manfredo & gomez.
No doubt he was a shadow of his former self, but given the opportunity he would have loved to have put a beatdown on Gomez. Gatti wasn't shot, he was jus depreciated in quality to the point that he became an average fighter.
please re read what you just said, and tell me how that makes sense.
gatti is a shadow of his former self, and it made him into an average fighter? Average fighters do not get KTFO'd by alfonso gomez PERIOD. the same alfonso gomez who never fought in a 10 round fight before gatti, the same alfonso gomez who got a draw with jesse feliciano (whom i believe beat gomez). Gatti isn't shot? just look at gatti, he retired because he realized who he just lost to. Alfonso fricken gomez. please re-read that name again, before you tell me gatti wasn't shot. Alfonso-fricken-gomez.

And i wouldn't blame Gomez for taking a title shot at his nearest opportunity, he looked very good against Gatti and he's a hard worker. Why not give it a go.
But your saying that alfonso gomez is smart by not jumping in with the elite fighters. The ONLY reason he isnt with the elite, is because none of the "elite" have given him a shot. and if they did give him a shot before gatti, he would of gladly accepted, so dont give credit to gomez for being patient in fighting "growth" fights before elite fights. Those "growth" fights are the only thing gomez has on his plate.