Yeah, I forgot to mention the CC Gamo, this has turned into one of the more interesting threads I've seen in a while.... how times have changed... first they threw them in with lions and had them fight to the death, then we got a little more classy and just said, eh knock the bloke out and you've done enough... and now we just watch most of them dance around and hold for 36 minutes and wait for the violence to start after the scorecards are read