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Well i personally feel Taylor had a lot of problems going into this fight. Them being he hasnt faught anybody with a true middleweight class, power and volume of power etc. He god the nod in his last couple of outings, but it just didnt have the same vibe as when he beat Hopkins. I feel he just couldnt hype himself for the fight and really didnt see that Pavlik would be a fighter that he would lose to. Although we knew he was a big name, i for one thought that Taylor would beat him. He simply couldnt finish him off, but he knows how to hurt and put him on the mat.

I feel for Taylor to show everybody that he is a world class champion, he needs to get in a big knockout and i feel this fight against Lorenzo could prove that. He knows he has to not take those stiff jabs like he did against Pavlik and keep away from those bloody powerfull right hands. I believe that the knockout came when he took a hard jab, you could see that Taylor didnt like that at all and he payed for it by getting stopped.

I believe by changing his game plan slightly and just trying to outwork and just keeping him away. I feel Taylor knows how to change this around to get the win, i just feel he was a good champion despite the critisim and i feel if he can beat hopkins, one of the best of all time, he can get a plan together to beat Pavlik.
Well i personally feel Taylor had a lot of problems going into this fight. Them being he hasnt faught anybody with a true middleweight class, power and volume of power etc. He god the nod in his last couple of outings, but it just didnt have the same vibe as when he beat Hopkins

Taylor was more impressive in Pavlik fight than he was in fights with Hopkins, Wright, Ouma, Spinks, Taylor was very sharp i was actually surprised how good he looked because i hadn't seen him that good in a long time.

Just because he beat Hopkins doesn't mean he can beat Pavlik styles make fights Hopkins was throwing very low output in punches something Pavlik is totally opposite to and Hopkins isn't really a devasting puncher something Pavlik is and also Pavlik has very good jab that he stuck in Taylor's face and was constantly snapping Taylor's head back with it.

I feel he just couldnt hype himself for the fight and really didnt see that Pavlik would be a fighter that he would lose to. Although we knew he was a big name, i for one thought that Taylor would beat him. He simply couldnt finish him off, but he knows how to hurt and put him on the mat.

Couldn't hype himself ?? he come out swinging straight away he looked very pumped up for the fight i don't understand what you mean by that comment and he put Pavlik down because Pavlik put his hands down and made silly face trying to show he wasn't hurt that was silly from Pavil and its something he won't do again Taylor hit Pavlik with his best shots and could not finish him that will be in the back of his mind where as when Pavlik had his chance he finished Taylor straight away big difference.

He knows he has to not take those stiff jabs like he did against Pavlik and keep away from those bloody powerfull right hands. I believe that the knockout came when he took a hard jab, you could see that Taylor didnt like that at all and he payed for it by getting stopped.

Pavlik has longer reach so he will catch Taylor with the jab regardless because of the extra reach in the jab he can catch Taylor constantly on the counter so Taylor will not be able to stop that.

And as for what hurt Taylor it was the first right hand that had him out on his feet the second right hand sent him into the corner and Pavlik landed barrage of punches but the punch that set it all up was the first right hand.

I believe by changing his game plan slightly and just trying to outwork and just keeping him away. I feel Taylor knows how to change this around to get the win, i just feel he was a good champion despite the critisim and i feel if he can beat hopkins, one of the best of all time, he can get a plan together to beat Pavlik.

He isn't going to outwork Pavlik no way and how can Taylor keep Pavlik away ?? Pavlik keeps coming right at Taylor using the jab its not as simple as your saying he has to get Pavlik's respect and by doing that he has to risk getting caught with counter shots from Pavlik he can't stay away unless he puts hurt on Pavlik and like i said theres always the risk of getting caught on the counter.

And as for Hopkins comment i will copy and paste what i said earlier.

Just because he beat Hopkins doesn't mean he can beat Pavlik styles make fights Hopkins was throwing very low output in punches something Pavlik is totally opposite to and Hopkins isn't really a devasting puncher something Pavlik is and also Pavlik has very good jab that he stuck in Taylor's face and was constantly snapping Taylor's head back with it.
Good analysing for the defending of Pavlik CC. But i just feel that if he had faught Pavlik straight after Hopkins, people wouldnt have all of this pressure on Taylor saying that he is weak and he was lucky to beat spinks, ouma etc. I feel the pressure was a bit factor of the fight on him and when he knew he was hurt that was it, it all ended for taylor. If he shows that he is a champion deep down he can surely recover from this. Your making it sound like it was an easy thing for taylor to beat hopkins, when i dont agree with that ( i know your not saujng it litaraly but still he was the best) but i do agree that he throws more, but being the champion you have to take this on board, and i feel if he had another shot at doing that he could certainly impove from his last attempt.

I know Pavlik is also a great champion and i have a lot of respect for him, but i believe he is beatable. I feel Joe C would beat him, i just deep down believe that taylor could change his game plan to beat him and i think hopkins would beat him too. Hopkins the tactician would know what he would do to win a decision, and i feel that taylor could do the same.

Its really hard to explain it, but i just feel that taylor can prove again that he is the best. It will be hard be i know he can do it.
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But i just feel that if he had faught Pavlik straight after Hopkins, people wouldnt have all of this pressure on Taylor saying that he is weak and he was lucky to beat spinks, ouma etc. I feel the pressure was a bit factor of the fight on him and when he knew he was hurt that was it,

But don't you think it was the opposite ?? that Taylor was so fired up and sick of the crictism that he wanted to prove to the world ?? i don't think Taylor looked pressured he looked very fired up imo and looked very sharp i was impressed with Taylor the thing with Taylor, Tam and he has had this for awhile even in the Hopkins fight is that he has nervous energy and it burns his energy quickly and he needs to learn to control himself because if you notice in Hopkins fight they wern't fought at a high pace but he gased out thats because of the nervous energy because there is nothing wrong with him physically he is always in good shape.


Your making it sound like it was an easy thing for taylor to beat hopkins, when i dont agree with that ( i know your not saujng it litaraly but still he was the best) but i do agree that he throws more, but being the champion you have to take this on board, and i feel if he had another shot at doing that he could certainly impove from his last attempt.

What im saying is that styles make fights and Hopkins did not pressure Taylor and does not have the threat of a one punch KO power like Pavlik does of course Hopkins is great fighter i would be a fool to say different but Pavlik always has the style to trouble Taylor he may not be as skilled as Taylor technically but he has the style to beat him more often than not.

I know Pavlik is also a great champion and i have a lot of respect for him, but i believe he is beatable. I feel Joe C would beat him, i just deep down believe that taylor could change his game plan to beat him and i think hopkins would beat him too. Hopkins the tactician would know what he would do to win a decision, and i feel that taylor could do the same.

He is beatable but it will take a hell of a boxer to beat him and they will have to be on there best night to do it and as for Calzaghe vs Pavlik i would give Pavlik a chance in that fight Calzaghe in the past has struggled with fighters who have good right hands and Calzaghe can't seem to stop right hands look at the Reid fight for example he was caught over and over with right hands and if Pavlik caught Calzaghe with even half of the right hands Reid caught him with Calzaghe would of been stopped so i would give Pavlik a shot in that right based on how good his right hand is and based on how good his jab is and he has pretty decent defense aswell.


Hopkins vs Pavlik im not so sure because Hopkins doesn't throw nearly enough punches to keep Pavlik off but also Hopkins is very smart fighter and can rough you up on inside that would be interesting one.