Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.

[Julius Rain]

Bilbo's post Round 6

The american view strategy is obviously desperasion in your part biblo. This isn't about america, soccer, or all the other nounsense you keep posting. keep to the course, flyweights and heavyweights. You still haven't explain why the flyweight is overall better, your all about opinions and false facts. And you and your buddy v.d keep hoping im giving up when its you bilbo that has no direction with his debates, you say a lot of what your going to do but never actually do it. you just keep continueing on with more nounsense posting from bilbo.

The American strategy is desperation? How is it it's fundamental to your argument!

You say that flyweights are not big business and that they don't feature in main events. THEY DO!

They don't feature in main events IN AMERICA because there are no decent American flyweights and hence no interest in the division.

You cannot even debate with me any more, merely running lines through my posts and writing 'RUBBISH' next to it

If you disagree please explain why.

Demonstrate American PPV interest in non American heavyweight fights. Demonstrate that in countries where the flyweight divisions are strong that they still cannot make main events.

Wasn't the Kamedo Naito fight on this week a main event? Yes

Was the Calderon Cazares fight a main event? Yes

Were they televised? Yes, did they have large viewing audiences, YES!

The reality is that interest in the heavyweight scene is now so low that unless an American is fighting they don't even bother to screen the fights in the US.

This has always been largely the case with the other divisions too. How often do you see non American bouts on American television in any division?

Answer is you don't.

In fact the only non American guys who ever break through and win a big crowd following in America are LITTLE GUYS, the Erik Morales, Manny Pacquaio's and Marco Antonio Barrera's.

It is entirely likey that in the future the guys like Christian Mijares, Nonito Donaire and Ivan Calderon will become some of the biggest NON AMERICAN names in America.

HBO and Showtime are always looking for EXCITING fighters and more and more their attention has been on the smaller fighters. Nowadays when people think of power punchers do they think of heavyweights?

Not likely, it's guys like Ponce De Leon, Darchinyan, Valero, Pacquiao etc, not all flyweights it's true but it shows that OVERWHELMINGLY the trend has been a decrease in popularity in the heavyweight division and a surge of interest in guys at the lower weights.

That's why now on any big PPV card you'll most likely see some fighters featured from the flyweight and bantam weight divisions because they provide good entertainment value.

When was the last time you could say that about the heavyweight division?

you call this a round? Most of what you said here has nothing to do with the flyweights, your giving props to the lower weight classes but you yourself is pointing out that its not the flyweight becuase the lower weight excitements ends at bantamweights up to welterweights.

Bilbo Round 8

Wow Rain is barely throwing any punches at all now!

I would expect the post to be lost on you as it involves recognising a trend and as can we see from your arguments in past rounds you have no idea of recognising trends or of determining how something is going.

Let me explain, just like this debate is slipping away from you round by round,so over the past few years has the spotlight of attention in boxing been slipping away from the heavyweight division and shining more brightly on the smaller guys.

It's a trend in boxing. Right now whether people want to see knockouts, speed, skills, drama and excitement they look to the lower weight divisions to provide it.

The flyweights are just one of those divisions. It's a pivotal shift of focus.

Anyway my gauntlet was laid down in my folowing post. I've made my move and set down my top 10 most exciting of 2007 in the flyweight division.

To have any hope at all of staying in this debate you must provide your own.

What were your favourite 10 heavyweight fights of the past year that really excited you and had you and everybody watching them on the edge of their seats?

you keep trying to point out that the focus has shifted from the heavyweight down to the lower weight classes. But the flyweight do not contribute much to the catagory of the LOWERWEIGHT CLASSES. like I said, the fan interest is base from the bantamweights to the weltherweights. That is the range of the dubbed, LOWER WEIGHT CLASSES. it stops before the flyweight, even you know that.

And you call this a round again? in this pace your just giving up the rounds to me.