Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.

[donnydarkoIRL]

CC returned.

My aim is to eliminate intereference from the judges tho.
I want to avoid the situation where judges interefere with the debates and cause the thread to become crowded with irrelevant posts. In addition it will cause much added time if we wait for a post from all 3 judges before initiating the next round...
I'm all for it. But i want the fights to be quick and clean aswell so we'll have to work out the mechanics.

[Kev]

CC returned.

My aim is to eliminate intereference from the judges tho.
I want to avoid the situation where judges interefere with the debates and cause the thread to become crowded with irrelevant posts. In addition it will cause much added time if we wait for a post from all 3 judges before initiating the next round...
I'm all for it. But i want the fights to be quick and clean aswell so we'll have to work out the mechanics.

Yeah I understand. I guess this hobbit may yet come out of retirement if a big enough fight comes along, as long as Dick Flaherty El Gamo is not one of the judges

[donnydarkoIRL]

CC returned.

My aim is to eliminate intereference from the judges tho.
I want to avoid the situation where judges interefere with the debates and cause the thread to become crowded with irrelevant posts. In addition it will cause much added time if we wait for a post from all 3 judges before initiating the next round...
I'm all for it. But i want the fights to be quick and clean aswell so we'll have to work out the mechanics.

Yeah I understand. I guess this hobbit may yet come out of retirement if a big enough fight comes along, as long as Dick Flaherty El Gamo is not one of the judges

HaHa. Didn't u specifically request Gamo and all?

[Kev]

CC returned.

My aim is to eliminate intereference from the judges tho.
I want to avoid the situation where judges interefere with the debates and cause the thread to become crowded with irrelevant posts. In addition it will cause much added time if we wait for a post from all 3 judges before initiating the next round...
I'm all for it. But i want the fights to be quick and clean aswell so we'll have to work out the mechanics.

Yeah I understand. I guess this hobbit may yet come out of retirement if a big enough fight comes along, as long as Dick Flaherty El Gamo is not one of the judges

HaHa. Didn't u specifically request Gamo and all?

I thought with his love of the flyweights he'd be positively wanking over my posts. Instead I expect he was too busy wanking over his downloaded video of Daiko vs Kameda to even read them

[donnydarkoIRL]

Ah...a win is a win.
I applaud you Bilbo. For a hobbit of your size to grasp the heavyweight championship demonstrates true skill and bravery.

[Kev]

Ah...a win is a win.
I applaud you Bilbo. For a hobbit of your size to grasp the heavyweight championship demonstrates true skill and bravery.

Can I keep both title please, PLEASE?

I could then make an historic run in trying to be the only hobbit to hold all the titles in every division!

[El Gamo]

Ah...a win is a win.
I applaud you Bilbo. For a hobbit of your size to grasp the heavyweight championship demonstrates true skill and bravery.

Can I keep both title please, PLEASE?

I could then make an historic run in trying to be the only hobbit to hold all the titles in every division!

I think he should be allowed to keep both titles and make history and I'm willing to be a permanent judge!

Bilbo wins,115-113 on my card. His points were more convincing and with each new post,he introduced new ideas,new theories as to why Flyweights are more exciting than HW. Julius made some valid points with regards to the size of the HW and that they are historically recognised as being the best division but nonetheless,Bilbo used excellent points here and now. What was also excellent was the 10 fights list. Bilbos list had more exciting fights in it.

I'd also like to think that Bilbo has learnt to appreciate the flyweights more. Julie had his moments but Bilbo had the better overall argument. Bilbo wins for me,good fight though.

Whilst I'm happy to have one won I do have to say the judging was atrocious!

Firstly Julius was pulled out of the fight in the 10th round so how the hell could you score it 115-113?

Secondly that the heavyweights are historically recognised as being the best division has NOTHING to do with the debate in question 'Which is CURRENTLY the most EXCITING division the heavyweights or flyweights.

Thirdly PLEASE show me which rounds of the 9 we completed that Julius won and why?

On my card I won every round, most of them by 10-8



Please Hitmandonny we need to have this judge investigated, and brought before a panel to explain how he could have scored a single round in favour of Julius Rain :P

Quit while you're ahead Bilbo
I take it you want to relinquish the Flyweight title and seize hold of the heavyweight

Nah mate, until and unless that judging decision is explained to me I'm going to relinquish both belts and join Violent Demise in the Saddo Boxing Hall of Fame.

I'm far to skilled a debator to have my talents overlooked in that way.

Fair enough Gamo had me winning but to employ it was close at all let alone a razor thin victory like that is just mind boggling.

I doubt he read all the posts

Have you considered that certain posters may have been acting in order to spare the feelings of certain other posters in an attempt to avoid offence

We are the same wavelength bro

[Kev]

Well as long as the judging is fair I will of course continue to fight on.

And like Gamo says I really deserve to be a two division champ

[El Gamo]

Yup,he does deserve 2 titles. CC back guys,was fun. When's the next fight?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Wella Gamo, as Bilbo said, ur well known for ur knowledge on the little guys i thought maybe ud like to seize the Flyweight title

[Kev]

Wella Gamo, as Bilbo said, ur well known for ur knowledge on the little guys i thought maybe ud like to seize the Flyweight title

I thought I was the reigning flyweight champ when I entered the ring?

If I have to choose I'll keep my flyweight title, if Ivan Calderon moved up to heavy and knocked out Nikolay Valuev it would be the greatest thing ever if he handed him back the belt and said 'You keep it sunshine' I'm going back to flyweight where the competition is

[Julius Rain]

wow its over just cause gamo said so? this turned out to be a waste of time. this is just playing favorites, what a bullshyt organization.

NObody can explain anything but say bilbo won cause they feel like it.

this is totall bullshyt.

bilbo we're buddies again and you know i respect you but this was no slaughter. I can't believe you allow a devil like v.d side with you. Gamo prolly didn't even read everything. we had one judge and just cause he favors bilbo this whole time, he gives the win to bilbo. with no valid explanation, and hitmandonny what a dissapointment this little mmwc you created is. The other judges didn't even showed up, you allowed v.d to be ringside influencing things and we all know that walmart boy and I have beef, cause I don't respect him at all.

what a waste of time and effort, you guys totally ganged up on me. MMWC should just be called lets play favorite, its obvious bilbo is the favorite. OUt of all of you guys his still my favorite too, but this really was bullshyt.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Well Julius i'm sorry you feel that way. You were a guy i thought was really promoting this thing well on saddo's with all your promotion and hype. I canunderstand that you feel dissappointed, but this is difficult to look after solo, i will be asking a couple to help me in the next day or so. I need to find somebody appropriate.

However Julius i feel the blame cannot entirely be placed upon me or indeed Gamo. You were asked to put forward a name for your judge. You never supplied us with that information.
The MMWC has had two controversial threads, lets not argue or pick each other apart. By all means, put urself forward for Vice president, give me suggestions on how to improve this organistaion.....No sense being negative.

[Kev]

wow its over just cause gamo said so? this turned out to be a waste of time. this is just playing favorites, what a bullshyt organization.

NObody can explain anything but say bilbo won cause they feel like it.

this is totall bullshyt.

bilbo we're buddies again and you know i respect you but this was no slaughter. I can't believe you allow a devil like v.d side with you. Gamo prolly didn't even read everything. we had one judge and just cause he favors bilbo this whole time, he gives the win to bilbo. with no valid explanation, and hitmandonny what a dissapointment this little mmwc you created is. The other judges didn't even showed up, you allowed v.d to be ringside influencing things and we all know that walmart boy and I have beef, cause I don't respect him at all.

what a waste of time and effort, you guys totally ganged up on me. MMWC should just be called lets play favorite, its obvious bilbo is the favorite. OUt of all of you guys his still my favorite too, but this really was bullshyt.

Come on buddy I like you and all but honestly you thought you won this?

When you get reduced to naming Joe Mesi's 1 round win over the world's 243rd rated heavyweight as one of your divisions most exciting fights of the year you really have lost any credibility you may have had.

And Nikolay Valuev's win over Jameel McCline? Did you even watch that fight

McCline had to pull out in the 3rd due to a knee injury! How was that exciting.

And without being unkind to you your other posts were just as bad. You can kid yourself that you won this debate but in all honesty, the only round that you could conceivably have won was the round where all I did was laugh.

But to be fair following on from your previous post what else was I supposed to do?

Don't feel sad though, it's all a learning curve and future challengers will do well to read your postings to see what are the biggest blunders that should be avoided.

In any future 'What not to say in a debate' guides your posts will be the gold standard.

[Violent Demise]

wow its over just cause gamo said so? this turned out to be a waste of time. this is just playing favorites, what a bullshyt organization.

NObody can explain anything but say bilbo won cause they feel like it.

this is totall bullshyt.

bilbo we're buddies again and you know i respect you but this was no slaughter. I can't believe you allow a devil like v.d side with you. Gamo prolly didn't even read everything. we had one judge and just cause he favors bilbo this whole time, he gives the win to bilbo. with no valid explanation, and hitmandonny what a dissapointment this little mmwc you created is. The other judges didn't even showed up, you allowed v.d to be ringside influencing things and we all know that walmart boy and I have beef, cause I don't respect him at all.

what a waste of time and effort, you guys totally ganged up on me. MMWC should just be called lets play favorite, its obvious bilbo is the favorite. OUt of all of you guys his still my favorite too, but this really was bullshyt.

We got beef? Don't make me laugh. Like I'm a beef with a chump who still gets an allowance from his mom. I always knew you were a joke. I just didn't think you were a sore loser as well. Looks like you are. You got straight smashed. And your not even man enough to admit it.