This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!

[skel1983]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

[bzkfn]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

You forgot to mention that Steve Collins vacated and retired rather than fight his mandatory WBO #1 contender, Joe Calzaghe.

[brucelee]

This is the reason why I'm choosing Calzaghe over Kessler.

[Preme]

Nice post, but it wont change much, everyone knows about them, most choose to just ignore them, give it a day or two and we will have the same old "calzaghe is to scared to leave the uk" shit that normaly comes with certain members...

[CRIME]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

[Preme]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

[CRIME]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

[Preme]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut his taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I would pick calzaghe everytime against hopkins, but whats your point?

[chamiley]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

[eagle]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut his taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I would pick calzaghe everytime against hopkins, but whats your point?

Stop hugging Joes nuts. Its sickening! Has he ever done anything wrong in your eyes?

[DaxxKahn]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is it EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted or Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

[eagle]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

I agree completely. CC from me, you'll need it cos all the JOE C fanboys will SC u now u have told the truth.

[Althugz]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete ass.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is is EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the SHIT out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my ASS!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted of Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

Oh man I think I just nutted in my pants, that was the best post hahaha have a CC for that. You have been given my first drunken CC. (Man I can type properly I must not have drank enough..)

But seriously, you beat me to it with the part about 'anybody who believes anything out Warrens mouth is a fucking fish' (i know thats not word for word)
But greatest super middle of all time my fucking arse...i second that..

[DaxxKahn]

CC's in return to both Eagle and Althugz.....Don't get me wrong I like Calzaghe and he is a great champion but I am tired of everytime we hear something about why so and so did not fight Calzaghe it was because they backed out....Hell I will go with Ottke and maybe a few others but Jones and Hopkins backing out because they were avoiding him NO!!!!!!......To show what a bullshitter Warren is Larry Merchant turned his back on him and refused to listen to a word Warren said after the Manfredo fight....REFUSED!!!!!...Larry had the decency to spare the fans Warrens lies....What was Warren going to say that night? Klitschko turned down a fight with Calzaghe at HW for 25 million because he was scared of Calzaghe.This is what I think of Frank Warren.... ......Not even Don King talked as much garbage in his hey day....Guys like Warren is whats wrong with boxing and will kill the sport sure as shit....

If boxing dies we will have to hear about how Calzaghe was going to enter MMA and was the reason Rany Coture retired

[Wright]

Agree completely with your comments about Warren. Kept Hatton back for too long, and at least he and his father had the sense to see it. Calzaghe v Hopkins = no contest, but it would have been a boring fight.