This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!

[DaxxKahn]

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Daxx, I don't mean to pick you up on your use of the facts here, but there are an awful lot of people on here who do believe the words of Warren, Don King, Joe Cazlaghe and others who were at that meeting in that Hopkins reneged on his verbal agreement for $3 million.

My point is, if we have 15 on this thread alone, it would be almost impossible for everyone who believes this to be the likely illegitimate child of Frank Warren. And speaking of children, that is a ridiculously petulant response there youngster.

Perhaps it is you who are Warren's illegit child, and are looking to undermine his business in the only way you can, by flinging muck on a forum read by a tiny percentage of the people likely to go to the Calzaghe fights?

Personally, both situations seem rather implausible...but you never know.

Rhun we know the fight was rejected but it is the reasons why the camp of Warren and his people give that is pure BS!!!...Like I stated in my last post it was not rejected because Hopkins was avoiding Calzaghe...people hear this and all of a sudden it is ...Oh B-hop was soo scared to fight Calzaghe he turned down 3 million.....Are we kidding here??...Any man be it Hopkins or otherwise would fight 3 bears with steak's taped to their ass for 3 mil......It has nothing to do with the 3 mil it has to do with the fact he refused to let Warren and his team dictate the terms.....Period....

As far as King goes Hopkins fighting for him has nothing to do with it we all know King can care less about terms or what is right all he wants is his cut....

It just annoys the shit out of me that guys think the fioght was turned down out of fear....

[superheavyrhun]

Hang about Daxx...he was the one dictating the terms...he said he wanted $3 Million and the fight to take place in that states, and when the Calzaghe camp said fine he decides to want $6 million instead? How much more control on this does he want? Maybe to force Calzaghe to wear a fluffy pink headband and come to the ring in an evening dress?

What else is the motivation? But if we can't get Calzaghe v Hopkins sorted for next summer...that fight with the bears is a good idea .

[cpcompany]

Its amazing how often American fighters are unwilling to travel abroad to fight but when foreign fighters dont want to go to America they are accused of dropping their arse.

[Wacko3205]

So Calzaghe is a bitch thats scared to fight the best is he?? The only two fighters who he realistally could of fought in his time are Hopkins and Ottke and both ran a mile, Warren offered Ottke numberous chances to fight Joe in Germany for a career high earner, but most of these German fighters have there own market in Germany and can make plenty of cash without actully facing a challenge.


Bernard Hopkins


"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

Then we have good old Sven!!! Now if anyone thinks Calzaghe ducked Ottke needs a slap, becasue Ottke was average Joe would of made him look silly.

Sven Ottke

"We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

Hopkins is one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He had two 50-50 fights with JT, the boxer who lost to limited Pavlik. I would like to watch a Hopkins against Calzaghe or Kessler :-D

just about every great boxer in history has been overrated by someone, hopkins is no different.

Hopkins is a hell of a talent, very smart, uses that to win fights. i rate hopkins very high, but just a cut below the elites... talking abut hsi taylor fights are bullshit and just a waste of a post, he was way past his best, had no real hunger in him either.

Okay, let us say 2000. What would an outcome had been between Calzaghe and Hopkins?

I can not even believe this question is being asked..Bernard Hopkins may have wanted a certain amount but Hopkins would not have turned down 3 million to fight Calzaghe anyone who believes other wise in a complete a**.....Anyone who believes anything that Frank Warren or anyone he does business with should get their head examined....WHY TF is it EVERYONE REFUSED TO FIGHT CALZAGHE AND CALZAGHE WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO FACE THEM IN THE USA...BULLSHIT!!!!!!.......The 2000 or 2002 version of Hopkins would have beaten the S*** out of Calzaghe.....Joe is a good fighter but not one of the guys that have been P4P have found a reason to not fight him like Warren always claims.....

If I hear one more time Roy Jones always found a way not to fight him ill PUKE!!!!...Calzaghe just became a P4P fighter after the Lacey win why should anyone Jones Hopkins ect have gone to Wales to fight him....They were the man to beat not Joe.....

Calzaghe has 0 power and I will repeat 0 power...anyman that can land a 1000 shots and his opponent still stands has nothing for guys like Hopkins and Jones to fear...Especially when they were on top of their game.....

Greatest Super Middleweight my a**!!!! The greatest Supermiddleweight to ever put on Gloves was Roy Jones Jr...That was the closest thing to being unbeatable I have ever witnessed....and at 168 or even 175 up until the jump to HW he would have ruined Calzaghe!!!!...anyone who thinks different is either mentally retarted or Frank Warren......

Hopkins avoid Calzaghe PLEASE!!!!...compare resumes my friend...if that is not enough then its time to take up a new sport as a hobby

I hate to bust nuts here...& I aint an authority on Hopkins...but I am a die hard fan of the man...& whether he says something that I agree with or not...I have to be unbiased & stick to the facts...those being...Hopkins has turned down Calzaghe twice.

The first time was back in the day & it was actually over an agreed upon purse that was negotiated between King & Warren for $3 million dollars. Hopkins agree...then switched up within the week demanding $6 million. Many say that it was due to the location...but that's bullshit. The fight was arranged as being Calzaghe's first trip to America. The fight was speculated to take place across the pond on a hostile mat...but in all actuallity it was to be fought here in the U.S.

The next time was just prior to the Tarver fight. Calzaghe & Hopkins were going to battle over 10million dollars but Hopkins wanted to make a statement by taking the WBC heavyweight strap from Oleg Maskaev. A lot of noise was made & Hopkins bailed on the proposed Calzaghe bout.

Honestly...I can't remember the exact article...but Hopkins was interviewed & stated that "Calzaghe is a great fighter but it would be a step backwards for me right now. It's just not a big enough fight right now and I need a big fight to get motivated. A fight against Maskaev is exactly the type of fight I need."

I usually copy & keep all Hopkins interviews & quotes...being that I am such a huge Hopkins fan...that being said...he's turned down the fight offers people...he has.

C'Mon Wacko lets use our heads here...Calzaghe did not become a legit part of the elite until 2005...Hopkins and Jones have been there for over 10yrs...Warren offers 3mil but then wants them to go by all the other little BS terms he throws in..everything is not that cut and dry...it is not always about the money when you get to that stage in your career....it becomes a matter of pride and legecy...for guys of that stature to follow the terms of Warren and I do Stress Warren because Calzaghe has nothing to do with the negotiations he is a fighter...thats why he has a promoter all he does is agree to the promoters terms.... So after having a few in me last night the whole thought of this just pissed me off because Warren is such slime...look at the real picture here,,,when fighters at the elite level allow other guys to dictate the terms it makes them the opponent...Hopkins is no ones opponent...Calzaghe's people have no REAL intentions of fighting anywhere outside of Europe and if possible no where outside of the UK...If it was up to them they would hold all bouts in Calzaghes gym...this has nothing to do with anyone avoiding Calzaghe...it has to do with who the bigger fish in the pond is...the head lion in the pride so to speak and Calzaghe is not that man when it comes to the level of Hopkins or Jones...now he has the advantage over Roy since he has slipped so far but Hopkins NO...and especially not in 2002 or 2000...in fact back then outside of the UK Calzaghe was a nobody!!!! who the hell is his team to dictate terms....

Everyone says that these guys found ways of backing out but if Calzaghe and his people really wanted the fight WTF then why don't they step up and MAKE it happen?...

1 answer they DON'T want the fight that bad PERIOD!!!


and I can not remember who mentioned Jones last night that got me started on him but anyone who thinks Calzaghe is better now or at any point in his career then a Prime Jones at 168 like I said they are talking out there other end

I hear ya...but...the fact remains...Hopkins himself has walked away from two offers for Calzaghe. When you say Calzaghe wasn't a force until 2005...that's just wrong. Calzaghe has been on the wagging tongues of our champions such as Jones & Hopkins for quite some time.

People act as though Joe barely registered in the rankings prior to the Lacy bout. That's just ridiculous.

Anywho...opinions don't really count in this debate because the fact remains...again...that Hopkins upped his price after agreeing to the match about 4 or 5 years back & he bailed on it in early '07.

Saying Joe doesn't want to face him...I'm sorry...but it's just wrong.

I mean when one fighter is refusing the offers after accepting them...my favorite fighter or not...I gotta think he (Hopkins) don't want a part of him...or atleast didn't.

[Trainer Monkey]

Yes,of course,Bernard would vacate the undisputed title after only 1 defence,and right with the record for defences sitting right in front of him
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeee
Fits his ego perfectly

[Preme]

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Daxx, I don't mean to pick you up on your use of the facts here, but there are an awful lot of people on here who do believe the words of Warren, Don King, Joe Cazlaghe and others who were at that meeting in that Hopkins reneged on his verbal agreement for $3 million.

My point is, if we have 15 on this thread alone, it would be almost impossible for everyone who believes this to be the likely illegitimate child of Frank Warren. And speaking of children, that is a ridiculously petulant response there youngster.

Perhaps it is you who are Warren's illegit child, and are looking to undermine his business in the only way you can, by flinging muck on a forum read by a tiny percentage of the people likely to go to the Calzaghe fights?

Personally, both situations seem rather implausible...but you never know.

Rhun we know the fight was rejected but it is the reasons why the camp of Warren and his people give that is pure BS!!!...Like I stated in my last post it was not rejected because Hopkins was avoiding Calzaghe...people hear this and all of a sudden it is ...Oh B-hop was soo scared to fight Calzaghe he turned down 3 million.....Are we kidding here??...Any man be it Hopkins or otherwise would fight 3 bears with steak's taped to their a** for 3 mil......It has nothing to do with the 3 mil it has to do with the fact he refused to let Warren and his team dictate the terms.....Period....

As far as King goes Hopkins fighting for him has nothing to do with it we all know King can care less about terms or what is right all he wants is his cut....

It just annoys the S*** out of me that guys think the fioght was turned down out of fear....

Do you have any actual fact of this? anywhere that it has been denied by hopkins? or is this just your opinion... i mean lets be honest, why would don King accept a fight in the first place if there were bullshit terms on it? i mean calzaghe had and signed his contract for the fight - if there was anything in there no fucking way would Dong King agree to it lol...

this is not just frank warren, this has been done a million times and people from Don king have confirmed all of this - Truth is daxx you have been very outspoke of calzaghe since i seen you post anythign to do with him, - these posts just seem like this FACT is to hard for you to accept because of what it means and goes against alot of what you have said before. This could mean you would have to change your outlook on calzaghe and warren.

Truth is i don't think Hopkins ducked calzaghe because he was scared of him, no not at all. But he sure as hell avoided him in that offer.

Personally think hopkins wanted alot me because he thought after the tito fight he would be getting $3m+ to fight EASY fighters, calzaghe could of beaten him, or if not beaten him it would of been a damn close fight that could of set hopkins back.

[Trainer Monkey]

Interestingly thats why the story doesnt just ring false,it screams false.
Bernard cant stand King
He only worked with him for the unification tourney to insure his place in history by unifying the belt
Its not a matter of King working with Hopkins,its the exact other way around.
The whole idea of the unification tourney,was Don was positive Tito would beat Bernard,and finally get Bernard out of Don's more then ample hair

[DaxxKahn]

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Daxx, I don't mean to pick you up on your use of the facts here, but there are an awful lot of people on here who do believe the words of Warren, Don King, Joe Cazlaghe and others who were at that meeting in that Hopkins reneged on his verbal agreement for $3 million.

My point is, if we have 15 on this thread alone, it would be almost impossible for everyone who believes this to be the likely illegitimate child of Frank Warren. And speaking of children, that is a ridiculously petulant response there youngster.

Perhaps it is you who are Warren's illegit child, and are looking to undermine his business in the only way you can, by flinging muck on a forum read by a tiny percentage of the people likely to go to the Calzaghe fights?

Personally, both situations seem rather implausible...but you never know.

Rhun we know the fight was rejected but it is the reasons why the camp of Warren and his people give that is pure BS!!!...Like I stated in my last post it was not rejected because Hopkins was avoiding Calzaghe...people hear this and all of a sudden it is ...Oh B-hop was soo scared to fight Calzaghe he turned down 3 million.....Are we kidding here??...Any man be it Hopkins or otherwise would fight 3 bears with steak's taped to their a** for 3 mil......It has nothing to do with the 3 mil it has to do with the fact he refused to let Warren and his team dictate the terms.....Period....

As far as King goes Hopkins fighting for him has nothing to do with it we all know King can care less about terms or what is right all he wants is his cut....

It just annoys the S*** out of me that guys think the fioght was turned down out of fear....

Do you have any actual fact of this? anywhere that it has been denied by hopkins? or is this just your opinion... i mean lets be honest, why would don King accept a fight in the first place if there were bullshit terms on it? i mean calzaghe had and signed his contract for the fight - if there was anything in there no F****** way would Dong King agree to it lol...

this is not just frank warren, this has been done a million times and people from Don king have confirmed all of this - Truth is daxx you have been very outspoke of calzaghe since i seen you post anythign to do with him, - these posts just seem like this FACT is to hard for you to accept because of what it means and goes against alot of what you have said before. This could mean you would have to change your outlook on calzaghe and warren.

Truth is i don't think Hopkins ducked calzaghe because he was scared of him, no not at all. But he sure as hell avoided him in that offer.

Personally think hopkins wanted alot me because he thought after the tito fight he would be getting $3m+ to fight EASY fighters, calzaghe could of beaten him, or if not beaten him it would of been a damn close fight that could of set hopkins back.

Preme read ALLL the post start to end!!!!!.....You will see that several times I stated that I do not deny the fact Hopkins set higher terms but the terms he set had nothing to do with Hopkins being scared to fight Calzaghe which is how this whole thing got started in the first place due to the fact people confuse politic's for someone ducking another guy......

Preme were cool and all but you need to get off the Calzaghe and Enzo bandwagons it is almost as if your whole world of boxing revolves around two fighters and you fail to look at anything other then how great those two are...

Seperate being a fan from a debate


The fact you ask why would King agree to the terms speaks for itself...Don King now and has Always only wanted the money PERIOD!!!!!

If someone offered one of his guys $1 mil to fight a band of ninja's while hogtied and blind folded King would agree

[Preme]

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Daxx, I don't mean to pick you up on your use of the facts here, but there are an awful lot of people on here who do believe the words of Warren, Don King, Joe Cazlaghe and others who were at that meeting in that Hopkins reneged on his verbal agreement for $3 million.

My point is, if we have 15 on this thread alone, it would be almost impossible for everyone who believes this to be the likely illegitimate child of Frank Warren. And speaking of children, that is a ridiculously petulant response there youngster.

Perhaps it is you who are Warren's illegit child, and are looking to undermine his business in the only way you can, by flinging muck on a forum read by a tiny percentage of the people likely to go to the Calzaghe fights?

Personally, both situations seem rather implausible...but you never know.

Rhun we know the fight was rejected but it is the reasons why the camp of Warren and his people give that is pure BS!!!...Like I stated in my last post it was not rejected because Hopkins was avoiding Calzaghe...people hear this and all of a sudden it is ...Oh B-hop was soo scared to fight Calzaghe he turned down 3 million.....Are we kidding here??...Any man be it Hopkins or otherwise would fight 3 bears with steak's taped to their a** for 3 mil......It has nothing to do with the 3 mil it has to do with the fact he refused to let Warren and his team dictate the terms.....Period....

As far as King goes Hopkins fighting for him has nothing to do with it we all know King can care less about terms or what is right all he wants is his cut....

It just annoys the S*** out of me that guys think the fioght was turned down out of fear....

Do you have any actual fact of this? anywhere that it has been denied by hopkins? or is this just your opinion... i mean lets be honest, why would don King accept a fight in the first place if there were bullshit terms on it? i mean calzaghe had and signed his contract for the fight - if there was anything in there no F****** way would Dong King agree to it lol...

this is not just frank warren, this has been done a million times and people from Don king have confirmed all of this - Truth is daxx you have been very outspoke of calzaghe since i seen you post anythign to do with him, - these posts just seem like this FACT is to hard for you to accept because of what it means and goes against alot of what you have said before. This could mean you would have to change your outlook on calzaghe and warren.

Truth is i don't think Hopkins ducked calzaghe because he was scared of him, no not at all. But he sure as hell avoided him in that offer.

Personally think hopkins wanted alot me because he thought after the tito fight he would be getting $3m+ to fight EASY fighters, calzaghe could of beaten him, or if not beaten him it would of been a damn close fight that could of set hopkins back.

Preme read ALLL the post start to end!!!!!.....You will see that several times I stated that I do not deny the fact Hopkins set higher terms but the terms he set had nothing to do with Hopkins being scared to fight Calzaghe which is how this whole thing got started in the first place due to the fact people confuse politic's for someone ducking another guy......

Preme were cool and all but you need to get off the Calzaghe and Enzo bandwagons it is almost as if your whole world of boxing revolves around two fighters and you fail to look at anything other then how great those two are...

Seperate being a fan from a debate


The fact you ask why would King agree to the terms speaks for itself...Don King now and has Always only wanted the money PERIOD!!!!!

If someone offered one of his guys $1 mil to fight a band of ninja's while hogtied and blind folded King would agree

Because i'm welsh i shouldn't rate them? i mean i said time and time again barrera is my all time fav fighter and post on a load of other threads... If i was just a fan i would of said hopkins was scared of calzaghe that he was awsome etc etc...

I'm saying the same sort of things wacko is saying, he is but because he is not welsh its ok for him to say it, right?

Every thread you have gone to speak out agasint calzaghe you leave nothing to debate, you make each post as if your word is final, you don't alow anyone else to have an opinion or even be right about something.

You talk about terms and what not about the fight, i said about King because the terms people hinted at about what warren has done is about promotional rights over the other guy if he wins, for it to be in Joes back yard... King would not put hopkins in there with bullshit terms. this fight fell through purly down to hopkins wanted 6million, that is fact.

[DaxxKahn]

My man Daxx telling it like it is.

More like,

getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.

Truth hurts don't it

If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child

Daxx, I don't mean to pick you up on your use of the facts here, but there are an awful lot of people on here who do believe the words of Warren, Don King, Joe Cazlaghe and others who were at that meeting in that Hopkins reneged on his verbal agreement for $3 million.

My point is, if we have 15 on this thread alone, it would be almost impossible for everyone who believes this to be the likely illegitimate child of Frank Warren. And speaking of children, that is a ridiculously petulant response there youngster.

Perhaps it is you who are Warren's illegit child, and are looking to undermine his business in the only way you can, by flinging muck on a forum read by a tiny percentage of the people likely to go to the Calzaghe fights?

Personally, both situations seem rather implausible...but you never know.

Rhun we know the fight was rejected but it is the reasons why the camp of Warren and his people give that is pure BS!!!...Like I stated in my last post it was not rejected because Hopkins was avoiding Calzaghe...people hear this and all of a sudden it is ...Oh B-hop was soo scared to fight Calzaghe he turned down 3 million.....Are we kidding here??...Any man be it Hopkins or otherwise would fight 3 bears with steak's taped to their a** for 3 mil......It has nothing to do with the 3 mil it has to do with the fact he refused to let Warren and his team dictate the terms.....Period....

As far as King goes Hopkins fighting for him has nothing to do with it we all know King can care less about terms or what is right all he wants is his cut....

It just annoys the S*** out of me that guys think the fioght was turned down out of fear....

Do you have any actual fact of this? anywhere that it has been denied by hopkins? or is this just your opinion... i mean lets be honest, why would don King accept a fight in the first place if there were bullshit terms on it? i mean calzaghe had and signed his contract for the fight - if there was anything in there no F****** way would Dong King agree to it lol...

this is not just frank warren, this has been done a million times and people from Don king have confirmed all of this - Truth is daxx you have been very outspoke of calzaghe since i seen you post anythign to do with him, - these posts just seem like this FACT is to hard for you to accept because of what it means and goes against alot of what you have said before. This could mean you would have to change your outlook on calzaghe and warren.

Truth is i don't think Hopkins ducked calzaghe because he was scared of him, no not at all. But he sure as hell avoided him in that offer.

Personally think hopkins wanted alot me because he thought after the tito fight he would be getting $3m+ to fight EASY fighters, calzaghe could of beaten him, or if not beaten him it would of been a damn close fight that could of set hopkins back.

Preme read ALLL the post start to end!!!!!.....You will see that several times I stated that I do not deny the fact Hopkins set higher terms but the terms he set had nothing to do with Hopkins being scared to fight Calzaghe which is how this whole thing got started in the first place due to the fact people confuse politic's for someone ducking another guy......

Preme were cool and all but you need to get off the Calzaghe and Enzo bandwagons it is almost as if your whole world of boxing revolves around two fighters and you fail to look at anything other then how great those two are...

Seperate being a fan from a debate


The fact you ask why would King agree to the terms speaks for itself...Don King now and has Always only wanted the money PERIOD!!!!!

If someone offered one of his guys $1 mil to fight a band of ninja's while hogtied and blind folded King would agree

Because i'm welsh i shouldn't rate them? i mean i said time and time again barrera is my all time fav fighter and post on a load of other threads... If i was just a fan i would of said hopkins was scared of calzaghe that he was awsome etc etc...

I'm saying the same sort of things wacko is saying, he is but because he is not welsh its ok for him to say it, right?

Every thread you have gone to speak out agasint calzaghe you leave nothing to debate, you make each post as if your word is final, you don't alow anyone else to have an opinion or even be right about something.

You talk about terms and what not about the fight, i said about King because the terms people hinted at about what warren has done is about promotional rights over the other guy if he wins, for it to be in Joes back yard... King would not put hopkins in there with bullshit terms. this fight fell through purly down to hopkins wanted 6million, that is fact.

Don't thnk I said anything about you being Welsh and not being able to rate Calzaghe....BTW Look on page one of this thread I was not the first to say the comment to you about REFUSING to believe Calzaghe is anything but the greatest thing since sliced bread in a bag...Except I have more respect for you then they did because they put it in a more rude manner....

As far as my thinking my word is final...Am I just supposed to be lik...Well OK Guys your right what was I thinking ...your even trying to use Don King as a way to defend Warren even AFTER I mentioned what a slime King is himself...again that shows you are only reading what you want....

If you really want to start getting into a debate on why I do not think Calzaghe is as great as his followers think we can break down resumes...quality of opp that each man has beaten in their prime their opponents win loss % ect...if that what you prefer to do....

[Wacko3205]

Yes,of course,Bernard would vacate the undisputed title after only 1 defence,and right with the record for defences sitting right in front of him
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeee
Fits his ego perfectly

The fight was being negotiated at a catch weight & it was a non title bout.

[superheavyrhun]

Daxx,

Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:

Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.

The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.

Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.

[Althugz]

The thing is with Calzaghe ultimately that means he doesn't hold a candle to people like Roy Jones, Hopkins and even Eubank is that these guys, in the primes of their careers went after harder and harder opponents. Joe is old now..so he has A MASSIVE VICTORY OVER THE NUMBER 2 SM IN THE WORLD IN JEFF LACY...AWESOME PERFORMANCE..BIG THINGS AWAIT JOE CALZAGHE..SUPERFIGHTS ARE WITHIN REACH..SO LETS FIGHT.....sakio bika...and then Peter Manfredo jr What the fuck?? Look at people like Mayweather, Hatton, Hopkins, Winky etc..Mayweathers last 3 fights Judah, Baldomir, Oscar and now Ricky Hatton..all world title fights against valid opposition (I don't care what you say about Baldomir he was the linear Welterweight champ). Hatton has gone from Tsuyu to Collazo to Urango to Castillo..solid'ish opponents with names. Hopkins went from Taylor to Tarver to Winky..big challenging fights. etc etc etc
True champions like those mentioned above take on challenges and go strength to strength.They don't take 2 steps back after big victories...when the fuck has Calzaghe taken on a challenge where he was truely in any danger? So he fought Lacy..so he proved himself once..well done..doesn't a true champion want bigger and better challenges after that? You've had one big challenge in 10 years and now that you've past that challenge you're content to go back to fighting opponents from a fucking reality TV show? Don't make me laugh.
I don't care if his promoter is blamed because ultimately I respect Ricky more as a champion for having the balls to fuck Warren off and go to Vegas to get some challenges. Joe can do the same but no, he's content with 1 challenge in the whole 10 years he's been with Warren.
This is why I can never hold Joe's name in the same breath as people like Mayweather, Hatton, Hopkins, ODLH, Eubank, Benn, Trinidad, Winky etc all great champions who took on big challenges. Its disrespectful to those champions who wanted to make history and cement their legacy by taking bigger and bigger challenges rather than regressing.
Fuck JC

[DaxxKahn]

Daxx,

Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:

Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.

The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.

Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.

I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...

Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....

After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?

But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?

How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....

Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?

[Wacko3205]

Daxx,

Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:

Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.

The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.

Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.

I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...

Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....

After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?

But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?

How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....

Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?

I aint tryin gang up on ya...but both men have the exact same number of knockouts & close to the same amount of fights give or take four or five bouts.

Here's my thing...I have never known Hopkins to run from a challenge. Never...but when you agree to a bout...when you say YES to $3 mill & then a few days down the stretch switch up to $6 mill...that don't swing in your favor. It just does not.

Joe has always been regarded as a danger man by all around his weight. Hopkins & Jones both have spoken of Joe both respectfully & disrespectfully. Both have wanted him on their terms...& Warren has pushed his terms & it has made for difficult...almost impossible terms. Now...Hopkins is his own man 100%. He has the ability to do whatever & whenever for what ever amount he wants.

Now he wants Joe...now that Joe is the name...now that Joe has the lead on defenses...now that Joe is regarded as one of the best in the game...Bernard wants to make the match happen.

That in turn should also speak some bounds...especially off of what he said during the Maskaev fight.

The fight wasn't worth his time when he thought he was gonna get Maskaev...that fell through & now Joe is top of the page.

I love Hopkins...but he is well known for being IMPOSSIBLE at the negotiation points of the game.