Where is Joe C p4p now?

[Kev]

I have to agree with the rest of the general population Joe sits at about 5th or so, Floyd still holds the number one spot followed by Pacquiao, JMM, Hopkins then either Vazquez or Hatton, in any order just as long as Floyd is #1, Not that I am a Floyd fan but it is hard to argue that point.

Calzaghe has not had the level of comp these other guys have had...EG- Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales...

He fits in comfortable it the middle

I agree that around 5th is ok for Calzaghe but JM Marquez's top 3 spot baffles me somewhat. He holds a win over a faded old Barrera and a draw against Manny Pacquaio, and was beaten only a few fights ok against Chris John.

By contrast Calzaghe has never lost and has beaten the two best men in his division in THEIR primes.

Marquez's position is overratted imo.

Well Marquez.like JC,beat alot of decent fighters in his division:Medina etc etc he then drew with Manny who is P4P top 2,in a fight most think he won. Also,MAB looked really good against Juarez the second time and was also P4P at the time. 3 losses JMM has had:1 on his debut,1 robbery in Indonesia and a close fight with Norwood which could have gone either way. Add all that up)he has win over 1 p4p fighter, and draw which should have been win.plus his losses are questionable) and he's P4P easily. In fact,I only see you as saying otherwise,unless I'm mistaken.

Hey Gamo, I absolutely agree Marquez is p4p and probably top 5 or 6 it's just that Calzaghe no matter who he beats and how he fights often seems to get overlooked.

If you compare Calzaghe's resume to Marquez Calzaghe's is better, FACT. It's not even up for discussion, Marquez has losses and including a recent one.

Marquez's defining fight came against a Barrerra who although still a great fighter was not at his peak and has been showed subsequently against Manny to have faded.

In fact when you consider all the guys in the current p4p Calzaghe is pretty much the only fighter who has cleaned out his division and beaten the best opposition when they were in their absolute primes.

So now you are saying Calzaghe is P4P#1 one in your opp?.....

Cleaning out a division holds more weight then winning titles and beating top guys in multi divisions?

Explain yourself Hairy little man!!!

And lets not start a Calzaghe thread just elaborate on what you are saying on how you rate accomplishments

Ok you lost me, when did I say Calzaghe was p4p number 1?

He's clearly not number one both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquaio have better resumes.

But my point is that he's always been rated below guys like JM Marquez, R Marquez and Isreal Vazquez but with his win over Kessler he is no and ifs and buts above all of those guys.

It sounds weird saying Joe should be at 3 as he's traditionally always been universally rated between 8 and 10 but his achievements are phenomenal.

He is now where B Hop was before the first Taylor fight and Hopkins was rated number 1 in the world at that time.

Floyd is number 1, no question he's an all time great and imo the best fighter of the last 20 years along with Roy Jones.

Manny Pacquauio is definitely number 2, he's a phenomenal career.

But there is nobody else in the world (other than the two above) who deserves to rated higher than Joe now imo. Without a doubt he's earned his spot. He has to be number 3 now all of the other guys have recent losses. He's a legend.