Quote Originally Posted by Taeth
You have some fair points Wacko... and I am just trying to seriously get your opinion, not trying to prove you wrong or anything because I respect what you have to say.
I watched the fight again and I had Cotto winning by 1, but some of those rounds are so hard to give to either guy because Mosley would win the first minute and a half and Cotto would win the last, and its easier to give to the guy who is stronger later in the round. I felt both the first and second time watching the fight that no quesiton Cotto was bullying Mosley more than vice virsa until whatever happened, but I don't believe whatever it was just magically happened, I think Mosley's punches wore Cotto down, to a degree.

I can honestly say I haven't seen Cotto's first 20 fights, but I have seen him from Corley up till now, and the Maussa fight. He was a good boxer, but he has really improved in this aspect as he's come along he hasn't just maintained at a certain level, but from the fights I've seen he has been a puncher-boxer, but more of a puncher, but even a good boxer like Collazo has a hard time catching Mosley because of his speed.

As for Mosley, I think he is a great fighter, and one of the best fighters of the last decade, but I think he would always a lot of trouble against a pure boxer who isn't afraid of the situation... Collazo whether it was because he hurt his hand or whatever was really gun shy, and he was doing well early on, and something obviously changed and it wasn't all Mosley. Mosley isn't a pure boxer in any shape or form because he is too much of a warrior. If he gets hit he will try to respond right away at the risk of getting hit again. IMO he is too offensive minded, and he doesn't use enough footwork to be a pure boxer, he has always been a puncher-boxer. As for against Wright, and Forrest its understandble for him to lose against them, I think they would give anyone a run for their money at the time he fought either of them, but he was the smaller man, and he couldn't adjust to being the smaller man which is another thing a pure boxer can do, when Mayweather moved up to welterweight and junior middleweight he has been able to succeed at these weights because he can stay away, and not get hit. Oscar Dela Hoya was able to become a more pure boxer as he moved up in weight which also helped him, but MOsley continued to fight the same way he did when he was at the smaller weights except that he wasn't able to get his combinations off anymore.

About why I think Mosley can get Mayweather backed up on the ropes a lot more than against Cotto. Look how many combinations Oscar got off on Mayweather when he got him on the rope, and thats because Mayweather doesn't have the power to keep Mosley off of him, and also unlike Cotto, its not in Mayweather best interest to trade punches with Mosley so he would back off. Styles make fights, and I think Mosley would realize he can't outbox Mayweather from the outside because of Mayweather's timing, defense, and superior jab, but with his speed he could find more success in situations where Oscar would miss 9 punches and get countered.

You have some fair points Wacko... and I am just trying to seriously get your opinion, not trying to prove you wrong or anything because I respect what you have to say.
I watched the fight again and I had Cotto winning by 1, but some of those rounds are so hard to give to either guy because Mosley would win the first minute and a half and Cotto would win the last, and its easier to give to the guy who is stronger later in the round. I felt both the first and second time watching the fight that no quesiton Cotto was bullying Mosley more than vice virsa until whatever happened, but I don't believe whatever it was just magically happened, I think Mosley's punches wore Cotto down, to a degree.

I had Cotto winning 7-5 and i also feel even though Mosley landed more power punches i feel that some of Cotto's jabs could of been counted as power shot's Cotto's jabs are like straight lefts and they were rocking Mosley's head back i do agree it was a close fight but Cotto just did enough and Cotto impressed me with his boxing skills and Mosley's punches did hurt a ware down Cotto i agree with that aswell i didn't expect Mosley to back Cotto up on the ropes as much as he did.

I can honestly say I haven't seen Cotto's first 20 fights, but I have seen him from Corley up till now, and the Maussa fight. He was a good boxer, but he has really improved in this aspect as he's come along he hasn't just maintained at a certain level, but from the fights I've seen he has been a puncher-boxer, but more of a puncher, but even a good boxer like Collazo has a hard time catching Mosley because of his speed.

Cotto really impressed me against Sosa the way he took his time and destroyed Sosa who gave Mayweather a good arguement was really impressve and another fight that really caught my eye was Cotto's fight with Mohamad Abdulaev Cotto was backing up and actually countering Mohamad Abdulaev and showed really good boxing skills.

As for Mosley, I think he is a great fighter, and one of the best fighters of the last decade, but I think he would always a lot of trouble against a pure boxer who isn't afraid of the situation... Collazo whether it was because he hurt his hand or whatever was really gun shy, and he was doing well early on, and something obviously changed and it wasn't all Mosley. Mosley isn't a pure boxer in any shape or form because he is too much of a warrior. If he gets hit he will try to respond right away at the risk of getting hit again. IMO he is too offensive minded, and he doesn't use enough footwork to be a pure boxer, he has always been a puncher-boxer. As for against Wright, and Forrest its understandble for him to lose against them, I think they would give anyone a run for their money at the time he fought either of them, but he was the smaller man, and he couldn't adjust to being the smaller man which is another thing a pure boxer can do, when Mayweather moved up to welterweight and junior middleweight he has been able to succeed at these weights because he can stay away, and not get hit. Oscar Dela Hoya was able to become a more pure boxer as he moved up in weight which also helped him, but MOsley continued to fight the same way he did when he was at the smaller weights except that he wasn't able to get his combinations off anymore.

Mosley has only ever had trouble against tall rangy fighters its nothing to do with Wright, Forrest, being *pure boxers* its because of the height advantage Forrest and Winky had plus Wright was much naturally much stronger than Mosley and as for Collazo i didn't think he was doing that well early on he was still gun shy even in early going Mosley was just too fast and much too good for Collazo and Mosley is a boxer mixed in with a brawler he can brawl and box but i will agree with you Mosley isn't 100 percent pure boxer and he sure does like to get in there and slug it out but thats what makes him the amazing fighter he is.