Quote Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
And Baldo beat the #1 WW in the division at the time and a P4P ranked fighter at the time....And again you are not getting the point...Just because he beat Mormeck does not make him elite..even if Mormeck was the #1 man in the division.....It takes more then just one win against a top guy to get into that catagory...Thats like saying Douglas was the baddest man on the planet because he beat Tyson...Look how that ended up...Or Rahman is one of the greatest HWTS in the last 25 years because he KO'd Lewis...

To be considered elite you have to perform that way more then once...As I stated before what did or who did Haye beat before Mormeck that garners such things?....and to win a world title at 27 is not all that impressive...I can name 100 champions past or present that did it long before the age of 27
I'm talking about an elite cruiserweight. Haye made good progress, winning the European title and competing against former worldclass cruisers before beating THE MAN. He beat the best man, that make's him the best man, an elite cruiser until he's dethroned, no?

You don't think it's all about beating THE MAN? That's why a GREAT fighter like Floyd was able to have a piss easy gimme against a journeyman-plodder like Baldomir, because Baldomir became THE MAN. How could they justify that fight otherwise?

I was using Haye's age in comparison with Hopkins.

You don't like Haye, fine. Whether you like it or not he's the best cruiserweight in the world.