Quote Originally Posted by Mr140
Do you consider Holmes, Louis ATG and even Bernard a ATG i mean if not for Tito and Oscar Bernard would not be considered. See the thing will Cal is that he undefeated and has good wins over a Old Ebunks, Lacy and Kessler also undefeated not to mention a champ 10 years and 21 defences so top 50 ain't out of the question i mean what else can you do. I mean look at Rocky's best wins were over old greats or complete bums i mean all in how you look at it.
well me personally, i don't consider rocky an all time great, and bernard i like him and he is great, but I always considered his mw reign a gift from RJJ because he moved out of the division. HOP never really chased that fight to validate his championship even if it meant taking less money...

Calzaghe though, he seems capable of being and all time great, there were fights out there that he could have made, rocky marciano fought everyone there was to fight so did holmes....calzaghe remained overseas and too bad for him there weren't enough great fighters over there for him to fight but he couldve left that soil....i know most will say that rjj never left america but lucky for him there were HOF fighters in the states for him to fight....