Quote Originally Posted by Mr140
Do you consider Holmes, Louis ATG and even Bernard a ATG i mean if not for Tito and Oscar Bernard would not be considered. See the thing will Cal is that he undefeated and has good wins over a Old Ebunks, Lacy and Kessler also undefeated not to mention a champ 10 years and 21 defences so top 50 ain't out of the question i mean what else can you do. I mean look at Rocky's best wins were over old greats or complete bums i mean all in how you look at it.
Difference between Holmes and Hopkins is they fought in GREAT divisons ( HW-MW)
super middle is not a glamour division , Calzaghe is a tremendous fighter but not had more than a few competitive fights to be regarded as an ATG , not for me anyway , and Barry Mcguigan isnt a GREAT either.