Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Yes it is his fault you honestly think Jones would go to Germany when they have some of the most biased scoring in boxing history ?? plus Jones was robbed in Olympics i wouldn't of gone either.
Bad/wrong/biased scoring is everywhere not just in Germany. Did you not see Huerta-Kid Diamond, Santa Cruz-Casa?
That was in the Olympic's/amateurs professional is separate from that.
Champions go anywhere and win titles, here US, Germany, Ireland, Italy, France. A champion who knows he's good enough to win fears nothing.
No judges, not an organization. If everyone thought in regards to robbiers like RJJ then I guess all the challengers would not go to champs backyards and win titles.

Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Roy was also criticized for never fighting Dariusz Michalczewski, an unbeaten Polish fighter who had been stripped of a pair of championship belts without losing in the ring. Roy made efforts to bring the fight to the U.S., but Michalczewski would not comply.
ICB, I could easily run a google search and or scan some boxing books that I have where Dariusz says he's willing to fight RJJ....
What does that prove that they both wanted to fight eachother but never did, that's all the proves.
All I did was reply to boozeboxer list of titles that RJJ had. I was pointing out that the meaningful ones he did not actually beat the champion for them
He beats some stand ins. Stop me if I'm lying.....
Did RJJ try to make the fight? Yes
Did Dariusz try? Yes
Did they fight? No


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Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Yes it is his fault you honestly think Jones would go to Germany when they have some of the most biased scoring in boxing history ?? plus Jones was robbed in Olympics i wouldn't of gone either.
As if someone,who isn't based in the US would have fared differently there...
Well...anyway, did anyone notice that as soon as someone mentions Michalczewski, whatever
the topic may be it always goes down to the RJJ fight that never happened...
I've seen both guys alot and I say there is no way that Michalczewski would have beaten a prime
RJJ,even though he would be the one who would have come closest to beating him...
Eaxcatly JohnnyBoy bad fight scoring happens anywhere.
Truth be told I must be the only person here who thinks Dariusz could have pulled it off.
Dariusz was a damn! beast man and whe he was on one, he was one.


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Quote Originally Posted by Mr140
Yea but you can not blame Michalczwski not his fualt he was the champion why should he go.
Because Michalczewski always needed Jones more than Jones needed him
Well the 'Need' is created by the boxing media. Being that RJJ is based here in the states it's only obvious he'd get the spot light.
US Olympian, flashy, young & confident.
Or
Dariusz 'The Tiger' Michalczewski from Gdansk, Poland
Jee let me think?
The 'need' is something we as fans create. Do you think PBF needed Hatton more then Hatton needed PBF?
No, Hatton needs PBF more then PBF needs him. But PBF was still man enough to step up and take the fight and for that he get's respect because people are starting to see that he is actually willing to fight anyone out there. So don't let something that's build like the 'need' interfear with why 2 of the best should meet.


Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Jones was P4P number 1 and Dariusz Michalczewski expected Jones to come to Germany to get robbed ??
ICB your going in circles here. How do you think he became P4P years later after he has already been at Ligh Heavyweight? By picking up the titles that were taken from Dariusz. Which is my whole point here that he wouldn't have picked up those belts would Dariusz have not been stripped. He either would have fought on with just the WBC title and who know's from there. But one things for sure RJJ was not P4P 1
And you keep talking about gettin robbed I mean what basis do you have for that?
The fact that he wad robbed in Seoul, South Korea as an amateur?



Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
i don't think so and Jones had been at Lightheavyweight since 1996 so how did he *just* come into Lightheavyweight ??
Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of an 'interim' title don't confuse that with being 'the champion'. Interim means your a co-champ but you need to settle the score with the real champ. Which again he never did.
This fight was talked about the moment RJJ decide to move up in '96 so yes RJJ had just come into the division. Once Dariusz was stripped in '97 and RJJ started picking the belts up RJJ's mouth got louder seeing as he now had the titles. So it was a back and forth war of words.
After that I read Dariusz was discouraged by what they did to him but he kept his head up and moved forward. RJJ got more and more popular and gained more recognition while one of the true champions in that division stood in the dark. Shit! happens....
But that still doesn't mean that RJJ would beat Dariusz. Dariusz was a true champ in that weight the other guys RJJ fought got belts as gifts all RJJ had to do was pick them up from them.