Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of Bad/wrong/biased scoring is everywhere not just in Germany. Did you not see Huerta-Kid Diamond, Santa Cruz-Casa?
That was in the Olympic's/amateurs professional is separate from that.
Champions go anywhere and win titles, here US, Germany, Ireland, Italy, France. A champion who knows he's good enough to win fears nothing.
No judges, not an organization. If everyone thought in regards to robbiers like RJJ then I guess all the challengers would not go to champs backyards and win titles.

Yes there is wrong decisions everywhere but its well known that in Germany its almost impossible to win a decision and the reason i brung up Jones losing in the amateur's by robbery decision is because that would be in the back of Jones's mind and Jones did not need to travel anywhere he was the P4P number 1 boxer at that time if anyone wants to fight him they have to come to him simple as that.


ICB, I could easily run a google search and or scan some boxing books that I have where Dariusz says he's willing to fight RJJ....
What does that prove that they both wanted to fight eachother but never did, that's all the proves.
All I did was reply to boozeboxer list of titles that RJJ had. I was pointing out that the meaningful ones he did not actually beat the champion for them
He beats some stand ins. Stop me if I'm lying.....
Did RJJ try to make the fight? Yes
Did Dariusz try? Yes
Did they fight? No

No your not lying but Dariusz knew Jones would never come to Germany i mean just think about it this way if your P4P number 1 boxer in the world would you travel to a country like Germany that has the worst biased scoring in boxing ?? really and truthfully ?? all im saying is if Dariusz would have been willing to come to USA the fight would have been made.


[b]As if someone,who isn't based in the US would have fared differently there...
Well...anyway, did anyone notice that as soon as someone mentions Michalczewski, whatever
the topic may be it always goes down to the RJJ fight that never happened...
I've seen both guys alot and I say there is no way that Michalczewski would have beaten a prime

Thats not the point the point is Jones was robbed badly in the Olympics and i can understand if he doesn't want to go to Germany.


The 'need' is something we as fans create. Do you think PBF needed Hatton more then Hatton needed PBF?
No, Hatton needs PBF more then PBF needs him. But PBF was still man enough to step up and take the fight and for that he get's respect because people are starting to see that he is actually willing to fight anyone out there. So don't let something that's build like the 'need' interfear with why 2 of the best should meet.

Yes but Hatton is willing to come to USA Dariusz wasn't.


ICB your going in circles here. How do you think he became P4P years later after he has already been at Ligh Heavyweight? By picking up the titles that were taken from Dariusz. Which is my whole point here that he wouldn't have picked up those belts would Dariusz have not been stripped. He either would have fought on with just the WBC title and who know's from there. But one things for sure RJJ was not P4P 1
And you keep talking about gettin robbed I mean what basis do you have for that?
The fact that he wad robbed in Seoul, South Korea as an amateur?

Jones had been P4P 1 for atleast 1 year before Dariusz vs Jones fight was talked about if i can remember right ??

The reason i keep bringing up the Olympics is because i can understand Jones not wanting to go to Germany to get robbed i wouldn't either.



Dariusz was an already established champ there. Dariusz won his title in '94, RJJ came into the division by way of an 'interim' title don't confuse that with being 'the champion'. Interim means your a co-champ but you need to settle the score with the real champ. Which again he never did.
This fight was talked about the moment RJJ decide to move up in '96 so yes RJJ had just come into the division

I didn't say he was the number 1 man at Lightheavyweight.

Once Dariusz was stripped in '97 and RJJ started picking the belts up RJJ's mouth got louder seeing as he now had the titles. So it was a back and forth war of words.
After that I read Dariusz was discouraged by what they did to him but he kept his head up and moved forward. RJJ got more and more popular and gained more recognition while one of the true champions in that division stood in the dark. S***! happens....
But that still doesn't mean that RJJ would beat Dariusz. Dariusz was a true champ in that weight the other guys RJJ fought got belts as gifts all RJJ had to do was pick them up from them.

Thats not Jones fault Dariusz lost his IBF title for not defending against the mandatory challenger the fight could of easily of been made had Dariusz fought in the USA and it would of helped him get the exposure so why not ?? and the reason why Dariusz stood in the dark was because all of his fights were in Germany except for one of his fight there was in Poland it his own fault and prime Jones UD Dariusz imo.