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Credit to Soto, I mean he did what he could do but Guzman was always a step ahead. Many fighter would have lost their cool against a showy guy like Guzman. Parts of the fight reminded me of Leonard-Duran 2 but Soto did his best not to show his frusturation. Guzman is really a gifted fighter, a lot of what he does cant be taught...Also credit as much as I hate to say it credit to Floyd Sr. cause he didnt change Guzmans style but he did looked sharper than he did vs. Barrios. He seemed to shake off the rust after round two.
Yup,Zorrita must be credited for sure,he never gave up although he did slow down in the middle rounds.He showed lots of heart and is still a good fighter imo but Guzman shined. It's a testament to his skills that his best performance came against the best opponent he has faced,and this is coming from someone who is not a huge fan. I respect him though.He looked ALOT sharper han he did v Barrios.

I don't think Guzman's performance made Manny Pacquiao want to fight him(I know OumaFan,Fesnter have been wanting to see this fight and I'm inclined to agree,I think Guzman/JMM/Juan Diaz all have good shots at beating Manny but especially Guzman due to this lateral movement,speed of foot and hand)_.

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Soto won rouns 1,3,and 12. You could argue that 3 was even but he definately won 1 and 12.
I though the first 2 could have gone either way,Guzman won the majority of the middle rounds but I had Soto winning the last 2/3 because all Guzman did was pose whereas Soto was forcing the action and landing the odd punch. I had it 7-5,at worse 8-4 for Guzman. Any less than that would have been giving ALL the close rounds to Guzman.
I think that Soto being 135 and Guzman being 148 really effected Soto because he is used to being the bigger puncher. You could even hear the difference in the sound of their punches. Guzman was the bigger puncher last night and Soto could not easily hurt a 148 pound man even if he is a big puncher at 135. Plus because of the extra weight Guz took his punches better. Soto landed some nice right hands and Guzman didnt even flinch. If Guzman came in at 135 like Soto it may have been a very different fight, but I cant discredit Guzman because he made weight for the weigh in and didnt do anything wrong by being heavy on fight night.
CC,some fine points as per usual. I also thought the weight affected Soto,he's a big man at 130 and likes to impose his size and will on fighters.He could not do that against Guzman,because of the weight discrepancy. Guzman won though and as you said,he made weight so I musn't complain.


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Im on a bad roll of picks latley.I really think if soto went all out at proper distance and tempo things would have been much tighter.Fell into Guzmans Pace and could not cut off and neutralize movement/speed Of Guzman.
Joan deserves respect and I had Him winning but buy no means was this a white wash.Hit soto with tight and presice shots but never fazzed him.
I think In between all of that sliding and slipping he tends to catch plenty of punches.At times tries to duplicate that Floyd "pull back straight and One foot pivot" stuff.That 11th and 12th rnd Turn your back &scurry Is
With Paq and Marquez moving up and Barrera on way out(?),Guzman will chase the names and "big" fights but I honestly think hes in deep with them but he can also give some fits.
No doubt In my mind Soto will rebound and be right back in the mix.
I agree with it not being a white wash,no fricking way/ I also agree that Guzman gave away the last 2 round due to his clowning around and he actually ran a couple of times but I won't hold it against him,I was HUGELY impressed with his performance. I have to disagree with 1 thing though,I think if he used movement like that,he woud give Manny and JMM a very tough fight.