WILLIAMS 'SHOCKED' BY LACK OF US TALENT

[New Wind]

right back Larry B.

Wacko, please CC me – I do NOT care of nationality and I really love the style and skills of Jeff Lacy, who is NOT from Denmark

Please CC me

How about I you for being a bit of a biased racist who runs things into the ground repeatedly?

Wouldn't that be more appropriate? That'd be the Royal treatment in my book.

I do NOT like being called a racist! Would you please evidence yourself or take back that comment? Thx.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

perhaps but it doesn't lessen the point that the yanks don't have anyone and the titles are in the hands of europeans.

This is one thing that has often bothered me...and I don't mean this as a personal slap Missy...so don't take it that way.

I didn't but I wasn't the one that brought it up in the first place was I?

[Wacko3205]

right back Larry B.

Wacko, please CC me – I do NOT care of nationality and I really love the style and skills of Jeff Lacy, who is NOT from Denmark

Please CC me

How about I you for being a bit of a biased racist who runs things into the ground repeatedly?

Wouldn't that be more appropriate? That'd be the Royal treatment in my book.

I do NOT like being called a racist! Would you please evidence yourself or take back that comment? Thx.

Alright...I'll apologize for that...your'e not a racist then...

I apologize to you.

But you sure do have some tendencies that lean in that direction...that's just my opinion.

If you say that your'e not...then your'e not...who would no better than you?

[Wacko3205]

perhaps but it doesn't lessen the point that the yanks don't have anyone and the titles are in the hands of europeans.

This is one thing that has often bothered me...and I don't mean this as a personal slap Missy...so don't take it that way.

I didn't but I wasn't the one that brought it up in the first place was I?

No mamm...you did not...hence that was why I was saying that I didn't mean it as a personal slap to your response.

[New Wind]

right back Larry B.

Wacko, please CC me – I do NOT care of nationality and I really love the style and skills of Jeff Lacy, who is NOT from Denmark

Please CC me

How about I you for being a bit of a biased racist who runs things into the ground repeatedly?

Wouldn't that be more appropriate? That'd be the Royal treatment in my book.

I do NOT like being called a racist! Would you please evidence yourself or take back that comment? Thx.

Alright...I'll apologize for that...your'e not a racist then...

I apologize to you.

But you sure do have some tendencies that lean in that direction...that's just my opinion.

If you say that your'e not...then your'e not...who would no better than you?

Thanks

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Do you boys want a room?

[Wacko3205]

Do you boys want a room?

If it's free...& your'e offering.

[ross]

It would only take someone like Lacy to have wan against Calzaghe to raise the profile of boxing, America is where money is generated for the sport of boxing, if they could produce an all American hero again then young influential kids would run to the sport.

I know not all Americans are like this but they are seen as cowboys, hollering wildly at anything faintly American, chanting "USA, USA, USA !!!"

That is how the rest of the world view America and bush doesnt help.

Im not ignorant enough to beleive all Americans are like this, same as British are seen as pale skinny cowards, when Hatton and Joe prove otherwise, although Audley is derided as much here if not more.

If a fighter like Tyson was to emerge, just an all action man not just a pretty boy like De La Hoya or Mayweather, neither of those Two would garner much attention from anything but a fan of boxing already. Mayweathers first fight as a ppv was v Gatti and he was a champ long before then. Oscar isnt known here but Tyson still gets headlines, everyone knows who he is.

They just need One genuinly talented guy whith a personality that is likable, someone who gets attention.

The last person I can think of (although he wasnt really likable) was hamed, he drew massive attention

[OumaFan]

I don't totally disagree, US heavyweights are down right now, but Danny should have let somebody else say it since he's such a garbage fighter.

[YounGun]

perhaps but it doesn't lessen the point that the yanks don't have anyone and the titles are in the hands of europeans.

This is one thing that has often bothered me...and I don't mean this as a personal slap Missy...so don't take it that way.

Why does everyone always get so up in the air over nationalities & boxing.

I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just an unpatriotic idiot or some shat...but honestly...if a man's a great fighter...I don't give two flying turds covered in corn where the hell he's from.

That being said...facts being a facts...Danny Williams is one to talk about a lack of talent coming from anywhere.

Anywho...I don't get the nationality thing...I never have...I suppose I never will.

I do and I don't.

If I was from the US or Europe, I might not because you guys pump out good fighters all the time. I know being up here in Canada, where we don't have so many, if one were to get to the top I would love that and favour him over the others because he is Canadian.

But nationality being used to talk about the sport as a whole just sucks I think. Boxing is such a solo, personal sport... why bring something as big as the country into it?

[NuthaPug]

There's nothing wrong with a bit of national pride, or regional or city or community pride.

It's a natural human facility, feeling pride more strongly when the point is closer to home. The only reason we focus on the national level here is because boxing is international. Look at American football, there's as much regional pride there - just aren't governments with political ambitions and bombs to make the regional affiliation carry so much dangerous baggage.

We all cheer for what's closest to us by nature. We learn to cheer for what's objectively best and not in our regional interest by becoming educated.

The latter is more altruistic and accurate and Wacko-like and therefore certainly to be emulated.

The former has a less worthy but more emotional satisfaction experience.

Both got their place, nothing wrong with either, really.

And: American's do not hold the market on national/regional pride. In this, we're all alike. That being the case, our regional affiliations and pride, which set us apart in one way, also make us very much the same in a much more important way. We humans by nature, we is.

[Wacko3205]

Very well said Nutha Pug.

s to all on a very well spoken discussion.

[El Gamo]

There's nothing wrong with a bit of national pride, or regional or city or community pride.

It's a natural human facility, feeling pride more strongly when the point is closer to home. The only reason we focus on the national level here is because boxing is international. Look at American football, there's as much regional pride there - just aren't governments with political ambitions and bombs to make the regional affiliation carry so much dangerous baggage.

We all cheer for what's closest to us by nature. We learn to cheer for what's objectively best and not in our regional interest by becoming educated.

The latter is more altruistic and accurate and Wacko-like and therefore certainly to be emulated.

The former has a less worthy but more emotional satisfaction experience.

Both got their place, nothing wrong with either, really.

And: American's do not hold the market on national/regional pride. In this, we're all alike. That being the case, our regional affiliations and pride, which set us apart in one way, also make us very much the same in a much more important way. We humans by nature, we is.

Nice....CC and true too. I don't really care about where a person is from hence if a guy is from Britain and another from the US,I am not automatically going to cheer for the guy that is British just because I am from there too.

[raleights]

There's nothing wrong with a bit of national pride, or regional or city or community pride.

It's a natural human facility, feeling pride more strongly when the point is closer to home. The only reason we focus on the national level here is because boxing is international. Look at American football, there's as much regional pride there - just aren't governments with political ambitions and bombs to make the regional affiliation carry so much dangerous baggage.

We all cheer for what's closest to us by nature. We learn to cheer for what's objectively best and not in our regional interest by becoming educated.

The latter is more altruistic and accurate and Wacko-like and therefore certainly to be emulated.

The former has a less worthy but more emotional satisfaction experience.

Both got their place, nothing wrong with either, really.

And: American's do not hold the market on national/regional pride. In this, we're all alike. That being the case, our regional affiliations and pride, which set us apart in one way, also make us very much the same in a much more important way. We humans by nature, we is.

Great point but I think in boxing national/religious pride has been more negative than positive. Joe Louis/Max Schmelling for example. Or how many times has a muslim watched a Muhammed Ali fight and was completely entertained just because of the one fact, he's muslim. Yeah it's their right but it gets in the way of them truely understanding whats going on inside the ring, thus they'll never apreciate it like we on this forum do - because of that bias. And theres also one thing that is universal about all humans, we fuck everything up lol, why have pride when we're natural born screwups. I don't see the point in it, but maybe the people who disagree are missing something that me and many others on this forum get. Or maybe we're missing something

[mokele]

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