All the alphabet groups are crap. Thats why I can't believe so many knowledgeable guys on here keep referring to them. I never mention their letters. To me they don't exist. I get some flack at times cause I say this guys only got a belt but it's the truth. Anyone who wants an alternative for the betterment of the sprot should follow the Ring championships. Although their system is not perfect (which the Ring freely admits) it is better than what these alphabet idiots are offering!!!