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Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Quote Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Again Ice i find myself surprised that you are an amaateur boxer yet you answer like this. When you move continuously and stay out of range it is easy not to get hit, and it is no great achievement to stay out of range or move just out of range as an opponent attacks.
You speak as if staying out of trouble alone is enough to warrant the merit of being called a great fighter. Let me pose this question to you Ice, when De la Hoya got close and Mayweather used his shoulder roll defence was it as effective as it had been earlier in his career?

I don't think it was, in fact the reason DLH scored so little was largely as a result of Floyd's superior movement.
I never claimed Floyd was pst it, i incinuated that he is not what he once was, perhaps he went through a stale patch as many great fighters do, perhaps he is feeling the effects of the muscle on his body or perhaps age is beginning to crinkle his physical abilities, i'm not sure, but Floyd is not what he was earlier.
Why are you surprised ?? and you say Mayweather was out of range but infact Oscar De La Hoya got close to Mayweather many times and got him on the ropes plenty of times and yes his shoulder roll defense still worked like a treat because all of Oscar De La Hoya's flurries missed due to Mayweather's shoulder roll defense Oscar would throw about 6 or 8 punches and he would only landed 1 and sometimes 0 Oscar De La Hoya threw alot more punches than Mayweather and he only landed 21 percent that in itself is an amazing achievement making a great boxer like Oscar De La Hoya miss as many times as Mayweather did.

Like i said Hatton has looked more past it than Mayweather.
Well i'm in disagreement with you there.
Percentages or compubox numbers are not readily available to be considered by the judges during a fight.
What is evident is a boxer flurrying and connecting. One of the reasons that Floyd won by a SD was because Oscar threw punches while floyd was on the ropes and floyd's shoulder roll wasn't effective enough to show the judges that he was handling DLH's aggression. We saw clearly that Dlh was missing via tv, the crowd and judges saw Floyd trapped on the ropes being flurried on....
So where as it appeared like a clean cut win to you and rightfully so the judges who are supposedly in the best seat in the house looked upward to see a closer fight.

Unfortunately this is where debate collapses, You hold one belief firmly, I hold another opposing belief firmly...we can't change each other's minds.
Well i'm in disagreement with you there.
Percentages or compubox numbers are not readily available to be considered by the judges during a fight.
What is evident is a boxer flurrying and connecting.

Well im using the stats since we can't count the numbers are selves, but i did watch Oscar De La Hoya throwing his flurries in slow motion and most of them missed i can gurantee you that.

One of the reasons that Floyd won by a SD was because Oscar threw punches while floyd was on the ropes and floyd's shoulder roll wasn't effective enough to show the judges that he was handling DLH's aggression.

Or maybe the judges just made a bad error like they have done in the past ?? your basing your arguement on Mayweather being past it based on the judges scoring the fight SD, its hard for the judges to tell if Oscar De La Hoya was missing with those flurries with the view they have got his flurries came so quick that they wouldn't be able to tell but it doesn't really matter, i think your being too hard on Mayweather. Considering that was at a weight he had never fought at before, and he still made Oscar De La Hoya only landed 21 percent of his punches.


We saw clearly that Dlh was missing via tv, the crowd and judges saw Floyd trapped on the ropes being flurried on....
So where as it appeared like a clean cut win to you and rightfully so the judges who are supposedly in the best seat in the house looked upward to see a closer fight.

I don't really understand what your saying ?? so your saying the judges and the crowd saw Mayweather getting flurried on the ropes even though clearly when watching it on the TV they missed. And thats your arguement for Mayweather being past it ?? Sosa got completey outboxed by Mayweather but the crowd thought it was close it doesn't really matter what the crowd think or how close the judges scored it. Mayweather still outboxed Oscar De La Hoya and did not look past it i don't see how many can think Mayweather is past it making a great fighter like Oscar De La Hoya only landed 21 percent of his punches, and outboxed Oscar De La Hoya plus this was at a weightclass Mayweather had never fought at before so of course he won't be as good or as effective at a weightclass he had never fought at before but that doesn't mean he is past it.