Quintana v Judah in the works of Pav-JT 2 undercard

[CutMeMick]

I mean the guys 3-2 and 1 NC in his last fights hes gone the distance with 2 fighters that any of the other top welters would blast out in a couple of rounds.

The one NC was about 2 seconds away from being a first round KO. His opponent was lucky enough to get caught with an inadvertant elbow and avoid getting knocked out.

The 2 losses were to Mayweather and Cotto, who by my count have a combined career record of 69-0. Losing to Mayweather and Cotto doesn't make you a scrub fighter.

As I said, Zab is what he is. He's not a champion, and never will be. He will never beat someone on the Mayweather/Cotto level. And that fact means he has something in common with 99.9999% of the other welterweights in the world.

I would challenge anyone to name more than 6 or 7 welterweights who would give both Floyd and Cotto tougher fights than the ones Zab gave them.

Regardless of how the NC came it's still a NC.
A loss is a loss.
I agree on the looses to PBF & Cotto but we seem to not be talking about the "other" loss.
I think what made me dislike Zab so much was/is his fans who have just about every excuse you can think of.
SweetPea something tells me he would loose to Williams, Margarito & Cintron and I'd favor Berto over Zab also.

I need to see more of Berto before I put him at or above Zab. I agree with you that Williams, Margarito, Cintron (and Mosley) would beat Zab. But this is my point... 147 is LOADED. Just because you're not a top 5 welter, that doesn't make you a scrub. Even the 10th or 11th best guy at 147 could be Top 2 or 3 in other divisions, 147 is overflowing with talent.

I'm not one of those Zab fans that makes all types of excuses for him. He deserved to lose to Floyd, Cotto, Baldomir, Spinks, Tszyu... all of them. Zab is a tremendously flawed fighter and has brought all of his problems on himself with dumb decisions. But he's not as bad as you make him out to be. I think you're letting your personal dislike of him cloud your judgement a little bit here. Which is rare because you're usually dead-on in terms of evaluating fighters IMO.

Trust me SweetPea I don't hack at his hand speed, power and or athleticisim. I know hes got it somewhere but the fact is it's not good enough.
Everytime he's on camera he has something stupid to say he can never accept defeat it's always something went wrong someones fault. But never his he needs to man up and accept it. Watching Cotto dismantle him was one of the most satisfying things for me. He wanted to play the bad boy role then he needs to take it all the good with the bad.

I refuse to recognize Zab as a contender.
I don't care what hes done, I care about what he's doing.

The day Zab's a** retires I'll be one happy person. Preferably I'd like to see him go out by KO.

Why do you dislike Judah so much Mick?
I rate him as a contender, his fights with Mayweather & Cotto showed he can be competitive! Put him in with anyone at 147 (Williams, Cintron, Collazo, Margarito, Clottey or Mosley) an it would be an exciting match-up! He would be even money with nearly all these guys at his best!

I'm in this one with Mick...Zab's done.

Sure he looks good against these second raters...but why he keeps getting shot after shot is beyond me.

It's not just the fact that he shoots his mouth off...it's the fact that he never takes defeat admireably & he never stops acting a gotdam fool...win, lose, or draw.

I really really like Quintana.

I would love nothing more than to see him kick the piss outta Judah...but it's a tuffy to make the call on what he has left after getting dispatched so soundly by Cotto...both men actually.

for beating me to the punch Mick...for calling a douchebag a douchebag...before I was able to get to it...basically...beating me to the punch.

CC has been returned Wacks...
He is what he is and he himself wouldn't deny it.