Quote Originally Posted by Taeth
Quote Originally Posted by hitmandonny
The best Mayweather is past Ice. Sure he's still miles away from the competition, but as i posted in another thread, he's beginning (like Bernard hopkins) to rely on his guile and expierience rather than his physical ability.
However i do feel this is a factor which has arisen from Floyd's numerous jump in weight, at lower weights, up until lightweight he was incredibly slick and lithe, since moving up toward light welter his body is more mechanical, practised in it's movements.

However this offers little to offer the Hatton fan hope, it merely indicates that Floyd is now drawing on his wealth of expierience from fights and training now in order to win fights.
I totally disagree. I think Mayweather has gotten slower than what he was when he was younger, but he has also gotten a lot stronger, not p4p wise, but in terms of how strong in general he is also. Also he is always improving technically... you look back to the G. Hernandez fight, you see mistakes he didn't make two years after that, and now he doesn't make mistakes he made 2 years past. His speed has diminished all that much, and I think most of it is due to the fact he has to plant his feet more now, and he has to push a little more with his punches.
Read virtually every post iv made on Mayweather, iv said the same thing as you.

Well im using the stats since we can't count the numbers are selves, but i did watch Oscar De La Hoya throwing his flurries in slow motion and most of them missed i can gurantee you that.
The Judges didn have slow motion either, my point stands.

Or maybe the judges just made a bad error like they have done in the past ?? your basing your arguement on Mayweather being past it based on the judges scoring the fight SD, its hard for the judges to tell if Oscar De La Hoya was missing with those flurries with the view they have got his flurries came so quick that they wouldn't be able to tell but it doesn't really matter, i think your being too hard on Mayweather. Considering that was at a weight he had never fought at before, and he still made Oscar De La Hoya only landed 21 percent of his punches.

Once again, the judges didn't look up at the action and say to each other, wow Oscar is only landing 21% of his punches!!! You just reiterated what i mentioned previously, it was hard for the judges to see him missing.
As for your claim that im being to hard on Floyd, well why? Yes i respect him for climbing weights it's very admirable, but it doesn't entitle him for any special treatment. Furthermore i don't judge Floyd harder than any other fighter climbing weights and losing momentum as a result. I was as if not more critical of my man Ricky after the faltering display against Collazo. No excuses if you want to climb weight you have to realisethat your against bigger guys and there are no extra poiunts for being the little guy.

I don't really understand what your saying ?? so your saying the judges and the crowd saw Mayweather getting flurried on the ropes even though clearly when watching it on the TV they missed. And thats your arguement for Mayweather being past it ?? Sosa got completey outboxed by Mayweather but the crowd thought it was close it doesn't really matter what the crowd think or how close the judges scored it. Mayweather still outboxed Oscar De La Hoya and did not look past it i don't see how many can think Mayweather is past it making a great fighter like Oscar De La Hoya only landed 21 percent of his punches, and outboxed Oscar De La Hoya plus this was at a weightclass Mayweather had never fought at before so of course he won't be as good or as effective at a weightclass he had never fought at before but that doesn't mean he is past it.
Ice i'm repeating myself now, it doesn't matter what the crowd, you or I think, it's the opinion of the judges that matters. Supplementary to that the Sosa fight has no bearing on this particular issue.
Once again, fighting at a new weightclass for the first time does not score you points, once the fight begins the impartial judges can only make their decision on the boxing they witness before them.

In all your arguement, you picked at my points, you attempted to sway my beliefs and prove me wrong, but you never once offered me a counter point from the De la Hoya fight to prove Mayweather is not past it or a moment in the DLh fight wher Floyd displayed moments of the sheer brilliance he forged his name on...a couple of years ago.