RICKY HATTON - FANTASY MATCHUPS

[Violent Demise]

I was just thinking about Ricky Hatton's place in history, and how he would have fared against some recent "better/best" 140 lbers (or near 140ers).

How do you think the following fights would go? Who wins....and how?

(Assume all fights at 140 pounds)

1) Ricky Hatton vs Pernell Whitaker

2) Ricky Hatton vs Roberto Duran

3) Ricky Hatton vs Aaron Pryor

4) Ricky Hatton vs Kostya Tszyu (PRIME)

5) Ricky Hatton vs Shane Mosley

6) Ricky Hatton vs Julio Cesar Chavez

7) Ricky Hatton vs Oscar Delahoya

Hatton goes 0-7

[Spicoli]

That's It? You'd do better for youself at proclaiming and Pointing out Floyds obvious Credentials and accomplishments rather than Belittling not only Hatton but 4 other fighters endlessly.
Someone Picks Mosley clearly over Hatton and its not still no good......You lawyer for a KO pick.
And tell me what "Didn't finish that fight like a Champion.and not by choice" means
My meds have yet to kick in and I'm Short-bus like that.
A champion Defeats a quality fighter and Gets tagged in the late rounds...to walk threw adversity and triumph.Sounds like a Top Champion and A good Challenger to me.Wow....Imagine that in this sport Welcome aboard by the way.Hows the weather up there.
Why would I be interested in fantasy Match-ups when the Biggest fight for Hatton Is in front of him.That's something that will be done endlessly After He
wins . to each his own Mate......Later days.

If you are not interested in fantasy matchups for Hatton, why would you repeatedly post in a Hatton Fantasy Matchups thread? Odd.

Also, you have stated a couple of times now that I have "endlessly belittled four other fighters". Where exactly did I do that?

Here is what "didn't finish like a champion and not by choice" means:
Hatton was almost KTFO'd in the twelth round of the Collazo fight. They call the final rounds the championship rounds. It is commonly said that you should "finish like a champion". Some guys elect to dance away the last round if they feel they have the fight in the bag. That is finishing weakly, but by choice.

Hatton finished weakly, but not by choice. Fact.

A fighter gets hurt and comes through and finishes...WOW.Never seen that before huh?Regardless,He Is still champion!Will you argue that Callozo won the fight?Did you score It?Some would call Easing off the gas and getting defensive in 11th & 12th when You Feel like You have It won as Smart.Not Me at all though....Did Hatton take a knee,Did He take A count??He faced Adversity IN the championship rounds and Prevailed.Nothing WEAK about that at all.
If so Is It Worse to "choose" to be Weak or Better to face it suddenly in a fight and Emerge victoious??

I post on this thread in direct response to yourself Not What Ifs and might have beens.Look Its what people do,Root there charge on and Believe in there guy No Harm.But you do Floyd no justice by Calling into question Hattons Big Victories....So If floyd has a spectacular victory does that not deminish Hattons credibility as well and in turn Floyds Accomplishment there??
Go look at your own posts man,You even refute those that agree with you.and 75% of time are playing lawyer for floyd.We can count on seeing you AFTER the fight??
Castillo was Washed up and looked bad in last 2 fights...you said OK so You do what logic would dictate there KO 4 against a very good fighter.Kostya had more surgeries than fights?come on.Why dont you build up Floyd and let him Tear His Hatton down?
Hatton is a quality Champion as is Floyd.There going to fight regardless.

[ono]

I don't see how you can instantly come to that conclusion...

Hatton hasn't looked bothered by anybody at 140 so to say he would get taken to the cleaners is a little bit strong. Nobody even knows how good Hatton can be at 140 because he has only been pushed to the limit once and he came through that with flying colours.

With all due respect, I wouldn't say that Hatton passed the Collazo fight "with flying colours". Ricky was badly hurt in the 12th and finished that fight on fumes. He staggered to the finish line.
He did not finish that fight like a champion. And not by choice.

Please be objective. If it was another fighter that looked like that in the final round, would you be as forgiving?

That was at 147.

That aint 140.

And by your reckoning......no champion is allowed to get tagged or hurt?

From reading a lot of your posts on here it is alarmingly obvious that you are a massive Floyd Mayweather fan and this thread was an ideal way of be-littling Hatton.

Severley diminished kostya tszyu....my arse

[ICB]

Pryor was off balance against Akio he rolled back and got straight back up he was not hurt by that punch at all he was just off balance.
Dujuan floored Pryor with a good punch but he was up straight away and Pryor was not all over place against Dujuan he took some good punches but he stood his ground and then whooped Dujuan after about the 4th round.

ofcourse they were off balance. Come on ICB, Pryor went on to win but the least you can do is admit he went down. Without saying he was caught off balance.

How does a drink effect your chin ?? if he did have something it would of only changed his energy nothing else.

A "mixed" drink can effect your entire body not just your chin. A mixed drink with let's say something like PCP would be like giving Aaron body armour from ancient times. Thats how a drink can effect your chin.

I don't know the full story of why the urine samples wern't collected so i will not comment on it.

Well they never collected urine samples.
Which I mean how in the hell do they forget to collect urine samples?
No one was ever blamed or anything, all Alexis got was a "It was our mistake, sorry"

Yes i know Mick but he dismantled Rooney in fine fashion and in previsious fights even before Rooney fight he looked great. Who knows ?? it is very controversial but we will never know im not going to keep debating with you on it because no one really knows what was in the bottle so i'll leave it at that.

I didn't take much to dismantle Rooney I mean he had to drop in weight as I said Rooney had been fighting upwords of 147 and he was KO'd in all of his looses. I understand Alexis looked well prior to the Rooney fight again that was at Lighweight not Light Welterweight.

How can you compare Arguello who was still very good fighter to the Pryor that lost to Young ?? he had drug problems and he was coming off a long lay off he was counting with the ref when he was knocked down in first round then when he was knocked down again in the 7th i can't remember exactly what he done but he done a cross symbol or something ?? but the ref stopped the fight not because Pryor was hurt but because he see the way Pryor was acting and it was a right call by the ref.

I compared them cause it was obvious neither fighter was the same they once were. Whether one was a drug addict or the other was fighting at age 30 with 82 fights moving up to yet another weight class far from 118 lbs. which is reportedly the weight he started fighting at. Point is whatever reasons maybe they were both past it one way or another.

Pryor would also swarm Hatton plus he had much faster hands and better boxing skills when he used them like i said if somehow Hatton beat Pryor on inside Pryor would box i really don't see how Hatton could beat Pryor in a toe to toe war i really don't.

I didn't say Hatton would go toe to toe, I said Hatton would smuther Aaron and would try not to let Aaron get his distance to fight. One things for sure it would be a very interesting fight.

Pryor was tested against Cervantes and Arguello both elite even if you think they were past it well we could say the same for Hatton couldn't we ?? Castillo, Tszyu, were both past it so if you don't think Pryor's skills were ever tested against elite fighter because they were past it then i will comeback and say neither has Hatton because Castillo and Tszyu were both past it.

Right, I was never debating their oppositions. Funny you mention this cause I am one of the VERY FEW people on here who believes Tszyu wasn't past his best. I actually thought you also felt Tszyu wasn't past it? I know theirs a few people who think Tszyu wasn't past his best.
JLC that's a whole another story.
Truth is Hatton & Aaron are pretty much hand in hand right now as far as opposition. So a Hatton win would not be out of the question or a far stretched truth.

Ok Mick im back i would like to debate with you on this a little more because im having fun with this.

ofcourse they were off balance. Come on ICB, Pryor went on to win but the least you can do is admit he went down. Without saying he was caught off balance.

I did admit Pryor went down but in the Akio fight he was clearly off balance, Akio hit Pryor with with very soft punches none of them were damaging blows and he went down just because he was off balance.

A "mixed" drink can effect your entire body not just your chin. A mixed drink with let's say something like PCP would be like giving Aaron body armour from ancient times. Thats how a drink can effect your chin.

Im not very knowledgable in all that stuff Mick so i won't really comment on it but my point still stands that i still think Pryor has amazing chin even though Arguello was past it in the rematch with Pryor he hit Pryor with some monster shots and Pryor didn't even move not to go off topic but i think that 1st round was one of the best opening rounds in history.

Well they never collected urine samples.
Which I mean how in the hell do they forget to collect urine samples?
No one was ever blamed or anything, all Alexis got was a "It was our mistake, sorry

Believe me i know what kind of man Panama Lewis is i remember hearing years ago about him removing the padding from the gloves let me put it this way it wouldn't surprise me.

I didn't take much to dismantle Rooney I mean he had to drop in weight as I said Rooney had been fighting upwords of 147 and he was KO'd in all of his looses. I understand Alexis looked well prior to the Rooney fight again that was at Lighweight not Light Welterweight.

Yes i know Rooney was just a tune up fight to get Arguello prepared at Light Welterweight but i still didn't think there was anything wrong with Arguello in the first Pryor fight did you ?? he performed amazing imo.

I compared them cause it was obvious neither fighter was the same they once were. Whether one was a drug addict or the other was fighting at age 30 with 82 fights moving up to yet another weight class far from 118 lbs. which is reportedly the weight he started fighting at. Point is whatever reasons maybe they were both past it one way or another.

I have to disagree Arguello might not have been at his peak but he was still very good fighter and the way he performed in the 1st Pryor fight he certainly didn't look past it in any way. Thats totally different to the Pryor who fought Young you could see he had really bad demons in that fight he was a shell of his former self.

I didn't say Hatton would go toe to toe, I said Hatton would smuther Aaron and would try not to let Aaron get his distance to fight. One things for sure it would be a very interesting fight.

He would try but he would fail imo Pryor had much quicker hands than Hatton and he would be backing Hatton up and win by TKO Pryor was an animal and the way he used to swarm fighters was quite unbelievable.

Right, I was never debating their oppositions. Funny you mention this cause I am one of the VERY FEW people on here who believes Tszyu wasn't past his best. I actually thought you also felt Tszyu wasn't past it? I know theirs a few people who think Tszyu wasn't past his best.
JLC that's a whole another story.
Truth is Hatton & Aaron are pretty much hand in hand right now as far as opposition. So a Hatton win would not be out of the question or a far stretched truth.

I believe Hatton deserves more credit for the win but Tszyu was past his best. But i also believe it doesn't make any difference and Hatton would beat Tszyu at any stage in his career because Tszyu always struggled with swarming style thats why he got destroyed by Vince Phillips.

No it wouldn't be out of the question but i just can't see Hatton winning but if you think Hatton would win i have no problem with that.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Severley diminished kostya tszyu....my arse

Yes. The Kostya Tszyu who fought Ricky Hatton was substantially reduced from his peak days.

He was 36 years old, and he had only three fights in the three years prior to Hatton. Those fights were against Ben Tackie, Jesse James Leija and Sharmba Mitchell. In the two years prior to the Hatton fight, Kostya had several surgeries for a variety of injuries. And to underscore the stage he was in his career, he never fought again.

From 2004:
Undisputed junior welterweight king Kostya Tszyu said on a conference call Thursday that he'll need about six months to recover from shoulder surgery, and should be able to participate in his twice-postponed rematch against former champ Sharmba Mitchell before the year ends.

Tszyu withdrew from their Feb. 7 fight in Moscow last week because he sustained a partially torn tendon during a sparring session, which required surgery Saturday. Tszyu (30-1, 24 KOs, 1 NC) has not fought since last Jan. 19, when beat Leija by sixth-round technical knockout. But the 34-year-old, Russian-born Australian said he won't need a tune-up fight before meeting Maryland's Mitchell (52-3, 29 KOs), despite what will be an extremely lengthy layoff.

"I think we will go right away with Sharmba," Tszyu said, "because I think I'm ready to fight anybody. The most important thing for me is a challenge. I don't believe I'll have any rust because of my preparation."

His hiatus could cost him his titles, too, but Tszyu thinks the sanctioning organizations will accommodate him because he has suffered such serious injuries to a shoulder and an Achilles' tendon over the last seven months.
"It's not really my decision," Tszyu said, "but I think it will be resolved without being a problem to anybody."

The WBC considers Tszyu its "super" champion, which is why Gatti and Branco are fighting for its interim championship. The World Boxing Association also considers Tszyu its "super" champion. Brooklyn's Vivian Harris (23-1-1, 16 KOs) is its interim title-holder.

[ono]

Severley diminished kostya tszyu....my arse

Yes. The Kostya Tszyu who fought Ricky Hatton was substantially reduced from his peak days.

He was 36 years old, and he had only three fights in the three years prior to Hatton. Those fights were against Ben Tackie, Jesse James Leija and Sharmba Mitchell. In the two years prior to the Hatton fight, Kostya had several surgeries for a variety of injuries. And to underscore the stage he was in his career, he never fought again.

From 2004:
Undisputed junior welterweight king Kostya Tszyu said on a conference call Thursday that he'll need about six months to recover from shoulder surgery, and should be able to participate in his twice-postponed rematch against former champ Sharmba Mitchell before the year ends.

Tszyu withdrew from their Feb. 7 fight in Moscow last week because he sustained a partially torn tendon during a sparring session, which required surgery Saturday. Tszyu (30-1, 24 KOs, 1 NC) has not fought since last Jan. 19, when beat Leija by sixth-round technical knockout. But the 34-year-old, Russian-born Australian said he won't need a tune-up fight before meeting Maryland's Mitchell (52-3, 29 KOs), despite what will be an extremely lengthy layoff.

"I think we will go right away with Sharmba," Tszyu said, "because I think I'm ready to fight anybody. The most important thing for me is a challenge. I don't believe I'll have any rust because of my preparation."

His hiatus could cost him his titles, too, but Tszyu thinks the sanctioning organizations will accommodate him because he has suffered such serious injuries to a shoulder and an Achilles' tendon over the last seven months.
"It's not really my decision," Tszyu said, "but I think it will be resolved without being a problem to anybody."

The WBC considers Tszyu its "super" champion, which is why Gatti and Branco are fighting for its interim championship. The World Boxing Association also considers Tszyu its "super" champion. Brooklyn's Vivian Harris (23-1-1, 16 KOs) is its interim title-holder.

Ok genius.....riddle me this

Going by your analogy a prime De La Hoya would have wiped the floor with Mayweather

They guy had won one fight (the sturm bs dont count) since 2003 and still took Floyd to a split.

Kostya sure as hell didn't look shot 7 months earlier when he absolutely battered Sharmba Mitchell.

So what he had a bit of a lay off.....so what he was 36. Kostya was talking about how we would have wiped the floor with the 26 year old version of himself.

The guy had been fighting all his life practically and he proved he was back by destroying Sharmba Mitchell (infact he was much more impressive this time round than he was in 2001 when he was arguably in his prime)

If you want an example of 'severley diminished' look up Robin Reid when he fought Jeff Lacy. You see the difference?

[Mr140]

Good point ono some people discredit Hatton beating a old Tszyu but then they never bring up how old Oscar was when he was beat by a sd by PBF.

[ono]

Good point ono some people discredit Hatton beating a old Tszyu but then they never bring up how old Oscar was when he was beat by a sd by PBF.

yeh exactly

I'm not trying to take anything away from Mayweather's win over ODLH....i was simply using the same analogy that DIOS had used when belittling Hatton.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Kostya sure as hell didn't look shot 7 months earlier when he absolutely battered Sharmba Mitchell.

So what he had a bit of a lay off.....so what he was 36. Kostya was talking about how we would have wiped the floor with the 26 year old version of himself.

Are you referring to the same Sharmba Mitchell who was also dusted off by Mayweather and Paul Williams?

Facts: 36 years old. Injuries. Surgeries. Long Layoffs. Never fought again.
Interpret that how you want to.

[Mr140]

And Oscar was a spring chicken when he fought PBF and he was in his prime and ready to go right.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Good point ono some people discredit Hatton beating a old Tszyu but then they never bring up how old Oscar was when he was beat by a sd by PBF.

Oscar was past his prime when Floyd fought him. No Doubt.

But, on balance, Oscar was younger, bigger, healthier, and just BETTER than Kostya Tszyu.

Kostya Tszyu was a very good fighter, but can you ever envision Cool Vince Phillips giving Oscar a brutal beatdown? The same Vince Phillips that Ike Quartey blew out in a couple of rounds?

[ono]

Kostya sure as hell didn't look shot 7 months earlier when he absolutely battered Sharmba Mitchell.

So what he had a bit of a lay off.....so what he was 36. Kostya was talking about how we would have wiped the floor with the 26 year old version of himself.

Are you referring to the same Sharmba Mitchell who was also dusted off by Mayweather and Paul Williams?

Facts: 36 years old. Injuries. Surgeries. Long Layoffs. Never fought again.
Interpret that how you want to.

Yes Mitchell lasted twice as long with your boy than he did with a 'severly diminished' Kostya Tszyu

Calzaghe is almost 36.....he's had injuries, he's had surgeries, he's had long lay off's.....interpret that how you want to.

Going by what you have just said.....Tszyu and Mitchell were both shot to pieces when they fought eachother yet they were competing for the IBF light welterweight title?

I'm going to be sad clicking my little head off

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I'm not trying to take anything away from Mayweather's win over ODLH....i was simply using the same analogy that DIOS had used when belittling Hatton.

Dude. Stop with the "belittling hatton" silliness. I stated facts. I'm a factual poster.

We are boxing fans. We should be able to OBJECTIVELY talk about fights and fighters. If you can't read about your guy's weaknesses without becoming upset, or getting your feelings hurt, then you are not a fan. You are a groupie.

Delahoya has fought top guys in their prime. So has Mosley. Mayweather has fought top guys in their prime. So has Judah. Cotto fought Judah and malignaggi. They are good, but not quite elite.

Hatton has not fought a prime elite yet. He will on 12/8. Ricky has looked good against the older fighters, and hasn't been so impressive against the younger, fresher guys lately. This is a terrific opportunity to validate his top 10 p4p ranking. Let's not get emotional. The fight is in two weeks. We'll see what happens.

Let's just hope that the questions about BOTH Mayweather and Hatton get answered on 12/8.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

And Oscar was a spring chicken when he fought PBF and he was in his prime and ready to go right.

Oscar was absolutely past his best days. Nobody has said otherwise.

But the reality is that the May 5th, 2007 Oscar would have beaten anybody on Hatton's resume. A 34 yr old Oscar at 154 was still a formidable guy. He's still one of the 2 or 3 best 154ers. No?

What made Mayweather's win impressive was the size differential. He gave up alot of height/weight to a very good fighter.

[Mr140]

How is Mosley, Trinadad, and Vargas were not elite guys and Bernard to.