Quote Originally Posted by petem
he lost to a 1-handed RJJ clearly and watching that fight he didnt seem all that good, ROY was crap that night too, he was KD'd against MERCADO and should of lost, his one notable win the 90s was his destruction of GLEN JOHNSON but OMAR SHEIKA beat him up too !
In RJJ's prime it was very hard to beat so loosing to RJJ period is nothing to be ashamed of.
The Glen fight was a prime example of things to come. How he fought and broke down Glen was masterful it's obvious your seeing the fight by names and not by what took place in the fight and how the fight was won.


Quote Originally Posted by petem
KEITH HOLMES, WILLIAM JOPPY, HOWARD EASTMAN - if they were around in 1990 they would not have been top 20 !

TITO, OSCAR, WINKY all former welters, superfeathers or superwelters
We talked about this the other night what does the starting weight have to do with how a fighter fought years later.
Fighters like Duran, ODLH, Pacquiao started off at weight waaaay below where they evetually fought at but still performed well and became champs.
To think that you are talking about a fighters starting weight has everything to do with how they will fight years later is absurd.

Quote Originally Posted by petem
i was reading something EUBANK said about STEVE COLLINS "STEVE COLLINS in my opinion was a very ordinary fighter, who had been around for yrs without achieving anything spectacular"
No you did not just insult the Celtic Warrior
That's it now you pissed me off.
You should note that Eubank (as much as I like him as a fighter) is and will always be pissed off because he feels he was robbed.
Same way Hagler will forever dislike SRL.


Quote Originally Posted by petem
think of TYSON'S KO'S, BENN'S KO'S, RJJ'S KO'S, CALZAGHE KD'ING EUBANK, EUBANK'S fights with BENN (1) and WATSON (2), HATTON on PENDLETON, or just think about any top name fighter and they achieved something spectacular early on

HOPKINS ? no
If the alsmot 11yrs as a champion and 20 defenses is spectacular enough for you then you might as well give up now cause it doesn't get any better thet that.
One thing I will say is that you can take almost anybodys career and disect it and break down names but you gotta look deeper then that you gotta remember rankings, what they had done leading up to the fight among other things.