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Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick


As I said before "timing" can top speed, unless you consider Chico a timing puncher?



what mick said Iceman !

Pacman has more dimension then you might think.. at his best Pac is extremely quick on the draw like a mongoose in an out, Heavy handed, has the Midas touch, a good chin, fast hands and timing then toss in the southpaw advantage, equals a recipe for disaster for Mayweather. Mayweather is too smart to have taken a match like this, it would have never happened.
Pacquiao doesn't have great timing he does same thing over and over jab jab straight left hand jab jab straight left hand. An old shot Barrera was boxing on even terms with Pacquaio through 9 rounds by being defensive and constantly moving and Mayweather is much faster than an old shot Barrera has better defense and is better in every department. Timing beats speed in some cases but not in this case Mayweather is very quick but is also one of the best defensive fighters ever, and why wouldn't Mayweather have fought Pac at 130 ??
even terms??.. your kidding me.. Pacman smoked Barrera both times.

Mayweather has great natural talent no question. yet Floyds true talent lies within the match making. with the right match making Floyd will always shine. nothing wrong with that !!! smart business decisions giving the illusion of invincibility. that's talent in and of itself. Stay away from the Margaritas , Cintron, and Williams’s cause they will lay the wood to the boy, trust me.

I think he might have bitten off more then he can chew with this Hatton fellow,? Hatton has the right style to toss a fork in the works . Should be intresting match-up . cc enjoyed the debate !
even terms??.. your kidding me.. Pacman smoked Barrera both times.

The 2nd fight i meant and it was an even match after 9 rounds.

Mayweather has great natural talent no question. yet Floyds true talent lies within the match making. with the right match making Floyd will always shine. nothing wrong with that !!! smart business decisions giving the illusion of invincibility. that's talent in and of itself. Stay away from the Margaritas , Cintron, and Williams’s cause they will lay the wood to the boy, trust me.

Mayweather has beaten some of the best opposition of his era and you bring up Cintron ?? what has he proven ?? he struggled with a journeyman in his last outing and quit like a punk against Margarito Mayweather would destroy Cintron. Margarito's punches are too wide plus he is too slow he would get a boxing lesson off Mayweather, Williams would give him fits though.

I think he might have bitten off more then he can chew with this Hatton fellow,? Hatton has the right style to toss a fork in the works . Should be intresting match-up . cc enjoyed the debate !

I don't think so, Hatton has some nice tools like using angles on inside and wherever he plants his feet he can hit you at any angle he also puts his full bodyweight into the shot. But all the good things i mentioned are for inside work this will not be an inside fight Mayweather will be moving and countering Hatton i think Hatton will win some rounds when he gets Mayweather on the ropes and steals some rounds based on workrate but overall Mayweather will be too much and Mayweather will win 116-112 115-113 116-112 imo.

I always enjoy a debate with you LG cc back.
the reason I bring Cintron into this , and yes I believe Kermit would spark Mayweather inside the distance as would Margarito and especially Paul Williams. Like Scrap said.." smart match making hides many things.".. Floyd never gives anything away pre fight, almost always has the reach advantage in his matches, " ring size" in his favor

The reason I pick those fellows to beat Mayweather comes down to a fighters mindset. Mayweather style and mindset is not brave enough to beat these type fighters, (I am not saying this to sound disrespecting) Mayweather has some serious talent, and when he has a guy completly out classes like Gatti. he looks like a world beater. However giving away height and reach means Floyd would be forced to engage , staying on the outside and pot shot won't get it done. He would be beat to the punch all night long on the outside , and coming forward he would be jacked becuase all 3 of the blokes like a good inside battle. its just not Mayweather’s strength. Floyd’s style and mindset demand that he has the advantages of height, reach and the ring size you can land a Cargo plane in.

when Floyd is fighting on someone else’s terms vs. prime opposition , like Sugar Ray Learned did with Tommy Hearns , I would have a much higher opinion of Floyd being considered an all-time great. Right now IMO his greatness is just a byproduct of smart matchmaking. Smoke and mirrors.