lol yeah foreman was somat else. thing is when foreman hit you, you fell (unless your ali) but i saw clips of lewis fight some unbeaten russian fighter who lewis outweighed him by 25 or more pounds, he caught the fella flush on many occasions coming in and the guy didnt blink. now if foreman had all them advantages over someone, he would've killed em.

i mentioned holyfield cos i knew he wasnt a very hard puncher but hit fairly hard for a HW, but it was just so ppl know where to put ike if they thought he wasnt murderous but just hard hitting.

i think holyfield hit hard, he rocked foreman badly in their fight and stopped douglas who tyson couldnt ko....yes i know tyson was out of shape, but a punch is a punch. i know douglas was out of shape...

the thing with ike i was noticed is that he was a very very smart fighter...reminds me of liston (similar build, both have good jabs, good in and out movement etc).
he concentrated more on speed and then occasionally (byrd fight) he would unleash bombs.