Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
Ali had good skill, a novel fighting style for a heavyweight BUT

1. He was obnoxious and has begot more obnoxious fighters look at James Toney
2. He was all about civil rights yet called people uncle toms at the drop of a hat
3. He was BORING AS ALL HELL!!!

Yall have fun blowing him out of proportion people consider him the greatest only because of 2 things.
1. He wouldn't shut up about it
2. His stance on Vietnam

Joe Louis is the real #1 greatest of all time, Marciano is #2
What about his boxing skills and performances?? You criticise the man but I think he should be measured on his boxing.

He shaped boxing as we know it, through not only hype but backing it up in the ring.

Marciano was tough had a lot of heart, but he is definitely not number 2 g.o.a.t. He didn't have a long enough reign as champ (a similar length of time to Tyson) and his opponents, although good were not at their peak, Moore, Louis etc. He should be respected for being unbeaten but this shouldn't automatically give him such a high rating. On that basis Valuev could very shortly be rated as an ATG.