Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
So I am not allowed to have beliefs without having a bunch of stats behind them?


So if someone asks if I am Pro-Life or Pro-Choice I say something regarding how many abortions happened the previous year? OR how many jobs and how much money providing abortions gives the US.....we certainly lose taxes because life is being taken but as you can imagine it's not the crux of the debate.


Besides you really haven't asked questions as much as you have asked for my opinion on certain statistics you have dug up...I gave you my opinion on your stats because anytime I posted any facts you say it's from a baised source.

You can ask for facts all you want to but all you have done is ask for my opinion on your numbers, you never asked me to provide any of my own, however:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html

If the estimated net fiscal drain of $2,736 a year that each illegal household imposes on the federal treasury is multiplied by the nearly three million illegal households, the total cost comes to $10.4 billion a year.


I wasn't able to post the tables but they are there....so just check those out...but I am sure that it won't matter as you'll find some issue with who provided those facts.

Funny thing thats about the same $ figure that was quoted on a documentary on cocain profits allowed to enter your country by your top officals,while they point the finger at a slum gang (no13) whos total membership including the leader live in the slums and can only afford to smoke gunga themsleves,no coke for them! Your goverment backs the goverment and local cop war against them with cocain as the excuse.
Wool over the eyes of the public yet again?
To blame the 13s for billlions of dollars worth of coke (Why do they live in slums if they are to blame for Billions)..That right it doesnt add up.
But it does add up when trying to balance out your countries way of life, which in reality is all you can do now that the way is set.

The cash only economy isnt a total loss either, like its sometimes made out to be, these people right or wrong "legally" haha, (America legal/ ha Lyle:Teamsters /Mob/coke /aside form all the politics you all have been talking about,ha ).
Any way those people dont hide the money or burn it up so you have get more gold stock to make more. They use it to survive and so it is rolled back into the system instantly through purchaces and is then taxed on once again right there.It has created some thriving businesses that if stopped now would create a void that only your other illegal side of life over there could and would instantly start to fill anyway.

Australia is different in taxes and %; but we got it all here too..
If I hire an illeagal imigrant I have to pay approx 22% tax firstly on my leagal dollars earned, including the cash dollars that I then give him; so It costs me $1.22 to hire him although it appears to some that its only a straight dollar.
I dont see it as a major calamity that will bring down our structure its just a minor hicup as its only one minor stage of loss in that dollars tax life; that then goes on and on through the system anyway; Its taxed before and after him ,he not tucking it under the bed he is only just surviving and his family is only just surviving and my heart over rules my mind in those cases.

Cool clicks to all invoved here ,you are all very smart men,much more educated than I and you all have so much more room for all that info in those brains than I have for sure !
I apparently have a large IQ but I am uneducated past 8th year so I can only suggest you dont outweigh your hearts feelings with your analytical or learned thoughts cause that comes back to test you eventually through some reverse circumstances to the points you feel you have to hold onto.