Tired of people slagging Hatton in hindsight

[El Gamo]

this makes sense...hatton is S*** now....that's bullshit hatton is still easily one of the best 10 fighters between 140-147

Hatton is at best,a top 8 WW. If you think he can beat Cotto,Tony,PW,Cintron,Clottey,more fool you. Berto,Quintana,Gutirrez would all be tough fights for him too as would a Collazo rematch. I'm not dissing Hatton,I think he wipes the floor with eeryone at 140,I just don't think he carries the weight at 147 well at all be it trying to bulk up OR coming in light.

Top 10 or top 8 is splitting hairs. Either way you both agree he's barely in the top 10 of fighters within 140 - 147 lbs yet disagree with me over how good he is

I don't disagree with you over how good he is.Hatton is a grade at 140,no way higher than b at 147.And I said "at best" top 8,an argument can be made that he is not even top 10 at WW.

this makes sense...hatton is S*** now....that's bullshit hatton is still easily one of the best 10 fighters between 140-147

Hatton is at best,a top 8 WW. If you think he can beat Cotto,Tony,PW,Cintron,Clottey,more fool you. Berto,Quintana,Gutirrez would all be tough fights for him too as would a Collazo rematch. I'm not dissing Hatton,I think he wipes the floor with eeryone at 140,I just don't think he carries the weight at 147 well at all be it trying to bulk up OR coming in light.

Top 10 or top 8 is splitting hairs. Either way you both agree he's barely in the top 10 of fighters within 140 - 147 lbs yet disagree with me over how good he is

I don't really see how Hatton can be rated top 8 Welterweight, he had one victory over a virtually unknown Collazo and struggled badly in the process, and he had only one other fight at Welterweight and lost, his record is 1-1 at Welterweight.

Yup,I agree,I was trying to give Hatton the benefit of the doubt.

A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter

So by that logic you must rate Hatton as a great fighter no? At least better than say Marvin Hagler

I dont think Rick is half as good as some people make out. Im not going to pretend that he lost fights he won to baulster my case though.

HAHAHAH,how are you going to get out of that 1 Bil! Poor statement imo. A fighter does not need to be a multi weight champ to solidify themselves as a legend. Hagler is the perfect point in case.Excellent analysis Memph.

Actually I don't meed to get out of anything. Middleweight is and always has been the most glamourous division in boxing after the heavyweights, there was never any need for Hagler to move up.

If you think junior welterweight is or ever has been one of boxings glamour divisions and can be compared with the 80's middleweight scene then I give up trying to debate.

When Hagler fought the super middleweight division didn't even exist or was in its infancy. Do you really think if Hagler fought now he'd remain at middleweight once Taylor and Pavlik moved up?

Hell no he'd be where the action was, right up at 168 or 175 with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etc.

Anyone HONESTLY going to disagree with that?

Still doesn't change the fact you said a fighter needs to succeed in more than 1 weight class. If a weight clas is packed with star fighters,like WW now for example,and someone were to clean it out,that's good enough imo.B Hop is another example,and there are lots more. Jumping weights and winning titles is admirable but only when you fight good fighters in the weight class. Anyone can win an BAC title v the weakest champ in the division and proclaim greatness.

A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter

So by that logic you must rate Hatton as a great fighter no? At least better than say Marvin Hagler

I dont think Rick is half as good as some people make out. Im not going to pretend that he lost fights he won to baulster my case though.

HAHAHAH,how are you going to get out of that 1 Bil! Poor statement imo. A fighter does not need to be a multi weight champ to solidify themselves as a legend. Hagler is the perfect point in case.Excellent analysis Memph.

Actually I don't meed to get out of anything. Middleweight is and always has been the most glamourous division in boxing after the heavyweights, there was never any need for Hagler to move up.

If you think junior welterweight is or ever has been one of boxings glamour divisions and can be compared with the 80's middleweight scene then I give up trying to debate.

When Hagler fought the super middleweight division didn't even exist or was in its infancy. Do you really think if Hagler fought now he'd remain at middleweight once Taylor and Pavlik moved up?

Hell no he'd be where the action was, right up at 168 or 175 with Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etc.

Anyone HONESTLY going to disagree with that?

Well yeah, because you said and I quote "A great fighter can win in more than one division. If you can only succeed in a single division then you are not a great fighter" Hagler proved you don't. It's a real variable. I would say if any of the welters cleaned up that division right now they'd never need to move up. You did make the point to diss Hatton.

Agreed.Great minds..