60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.

[undefeated]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

[eagle]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

I think a Lewis or Kiltshko could give a 60s Ali problems because of their massive size advantage, and Lewis in particular had great skills and power. It is silly to compare fighters from 40 years ago to more recent fighters because the conditions are so different. Hw's are bigger now and prbably have access to better training, diet etc.

[ICB]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis

Etc.

[Trainer Monkey]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis

Etc.

Oh do please,I like Holmes,but the very best Holmes there ever was couldnt knock him out even though he allready had Parkinsons
And before you say something foolish about reach or size,Ali was 6'2 and had good reach even by todays standards

[ICB]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis

Etc.

Oh do please,I like Holmes,but the very best Holmes there ever was couldnt knock him out even though he allready had Parkinsons
And before you say something foolish about reach or size,Ali was 6'2 and had good reach even by todays standards

Because Holmes carried Ali i thought you already knew this ?? Holmes could of stopped Ali at anytime.

And before you say something foolish about reach or size,Ali was 6'2 and had good reach even by todays standards

I wasn't even going to say that .........

[eagle]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis

Etc.

Oh do please,I like Holmes,but the very best Holmes there ever was couldnt knock him out even though he allready had Parkinsons
And before you say something foolish about reach or size,Ali was 6'2 and had good reach even by todays standards

Tale of tape
Muhammad Ali
Height 6 foot 2
Reach 80 inches
Weight approx 220.

Lennox Lewis
Height: 6 foot 5
Reach: 85 inches
Weight: approx 255

Nuff said.

[undefeated]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis
Etc.

no way --bowe was bigger --but ali was way 2 fast and would win by a ud.
holmes if anything is a poor mans ali--he's an ali wannab--holmes had a better jab--but ali was overall a better fighter and faster ali by ud or sd
lewis=overrated. ali would run circles around him- win by ud

louis -almost lost 2 conn--thers no way in hell he could beat ali. ali would cut louis into shreds--ud or tko

[eagle]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis
Etc.

no way --bowe was bigger --but ali was way 2 fast and would win by a ud.
holmes if anything is a poor mans ali--he's an ali wannab--holmes had a better jab--but ali was overall a better fighter and faster ali by ud or sd
lewis=overrated. ali would run circles around him- win by ud

louis -almost lost 2 conn--thers no way in hell he could beat ali. ali would cut louis into shreds--ud or tko

Please explain to me how Lewis was overrated?
He fought and beat
Tyson
Holyfield
Klitschko
Mcall
Mercer
Bruno
Botha
Rahman
Ruddock
Mason
Akinwande
Golota
Briggs
Grant
Tua.
Most of those were via KO, and he avenged his only two losses bith by 5th round KO.
Unified the HW division.
Was world champ for the best part of 10 years.
If he is overrated then name me someone who isnt!

[DaxxKahn]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis
Etc.

no way --bowe was bigger --but ali was way 2 fast and would win by a ud.
holmes if anything is a poor mans ali--he's an ali wannab--holmes had a better jab--but ali was overall a better fighter and faster ali by ud or sd
lewis=overrated. ali would run circles around him- win by ud

louis -almost lost 2 conn--thers no way in hell he could beat ali. ali would cut louis into shreds--ud or tko

Lennox Lewis over rated? I don't know how you could actually say that and mean it....Lennox was one of the most dominate champions not only in the HW division but to ever grace the sport.....

Lennox had 2 losses....One to McCall where he was a bit full of himself and got caught...Lewis was still a work in progress at the time...

His loss to Rahman was because Lennox was out of shape and had been hanging out in Hollywood filming for 3 weeks before the fight and then flew to South Africa with out even allowing himself enough time to adjust to the time difference.....In the rematch he did not just beat Rahman he made an example of him.....

By time 2002 rolled along Lennox was a complete fighter who pretty much dominated the ring, His opponents and OWNED the HW division...when Lennox was fighting there was no question who the champion was....Not to mention he has one of the best resumes in the history of HW boxing....

Please explain to me how Lewis was overrated?
He fought and beat
Tyson
Holyfield
Klitschko
Mcall
Mercer
Bruno
Botha
Rahman
Ruddock
Mason
Akinwande
Golota
Briggs
Grant
Tua.
Most of those were via KO, and he avenged his only two losses bith by 5th round KO.
Unified the HW division.
Was world champ for the best part of 10 years.
If he is overrated then name me someone who isnt!
[/quote]


I think this speaks for itself as Eagle said....

I would CC you mate but just got you in another thread

[Spicoli]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

Definatley Ali in prime when He fought Big Cat Williams.That was beautiful,He was entering and/or at PEAK no doubt.Uncle sam came along and gave him an Impossed Vacation.Made an example outta him......Fools!!
I think He Beats MArciano/Louis/Dempsey/Tyson/Holmes/Foreman/& Holyfield (sorry holy). Peak Vs.Peak
Imo Size Is OVERRATED alot of times.But I do think Lewis would give him Rough time.
The closest Bowe comes to him was that corny rehashed Impersonation he was always doing.Just my opinion.

[undefeated]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis
Etc.

no way --bowe was bigger --but ali was way 2 fast and would win by a ud.
holmes if anything is a poor mans ali--he's an ali wannab--holmes had a better jab--but ali was overall a better fighter and faster ali by ud or sd
lewis=overrated. ali would run circles around him- win by ud

louis -almost lost 2 conn--thers no way in hell he could beat ali. ali would cut louis into shreds--ud or tko

Lennox Lewis over rated? I don't know how you could actually say that and mean it....Lennox was one of the most dominate champions not only in the HW division but to ever grace the sport.....

Lennox had 2 losses....One to McCall where he was a bit full of himself and got caught...Lewis was still a work in progress at the time...

His loss to Rahman was because Lennox was out of shape and had been hanging out in Hollywood filming for 3 weeks before the fight and then flew to South Africa with out even allowing himself enough time to adjust to the time difference.....In the rematch he did not just beat Rahman he made an example of him.....

By time 2002 rolled along Lennox was a complete fighter who pretty much dominated the ring, His opponents and OWNED the HW division...when Lennox was fighting there was no question who the champion was....Not to mention he has one of the best resumes in the history of HW boxing....

Please explain to me how Lewis was overrated?
He fought and beat
Tyson
HolyfieldKlitschko
Mcall
Mercer
Bruno
Botha
Rahman
Ruddock
Mason
Akinwande
Golota
Briggs
Grant
Tua.
Most of those were via KO, and he avenged his only two losses bith by 5th round KO.
Unified the HW division.
Was world champ for the best part of 10 years.
If he is overrated then name me someone who isnt!

I think this speaks for itself as Eagle said....

I would CC you mate but just got you in another thread
[/quote]

overrated mayb wrong choice of words--but his best opposition was well past their primes.but he beat a shell of a tyson and a past his prime holyfield. he was good but boring. i just think a prime tyson woulda ko him and prime holyfield would win by ud. so i think ali would make lewis look amateur and win by a ud. compared to other greats i think
holmes would beat him
foreman
frazier
shavers
norton

lewis is lucky he never had 2 fight ali, but so are, louis ,marciano, dempsey,tyson

[eagle]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis
Etc.

no way --bowe was bigger --but ali was way 2 fast and would win by a ud.
holmes if anything is a poor mans ali--he's an ali wannab--holmes had a better jab--but ali was overall a better fighter and faster ali by ud or sd
lewis=overrated. ali would run circles around him- win by ud

louis -almost lost 2 conn--thers no way in hell he could beat ali. ali would cut louis into shreds--ud or tko

Lennox Lewis over rated? I don't know how you could actually say that and mean it....Lennox was one of the most dominate champions not only in the HW division but to ever grace the sport.....

Lennox had 2 losses....One to McCall where he was a bit full of himself and got caught...Lewis was still a work in progress at the time...

His loss to Rahman was because Lennox was out of shape and had been hanging out in Hollywood filming for 3 weeks before the fight and then flew to South Africa with out even allowing himself enough time to adjust to the time difference.....In the rematch he did not just beat Rahman he made an example of him.....

By time 2002 rolled along Lennox was a complete fighter who pretty much dominated the ring, His opponents and OWNED the HW division...when Lennox was fighting there was no question who the champion was....Not to mention he has one of the best resumes in the history of HW boxing....

Please explain to me how Lewis was overrated?
He fought and beat
Tyson
HolyfieldKlitschko
Mcall
Mercer
Bruno
Botha
Rahman
Ruddock
Mason
Akinwande
Golota
Briggs
Grant
Tua.
Most of those were via KO, and he avenged his only two losses bith by 5th round KO.
Unified the HW division.
Was world champ for the best part of 10 years.
If he is overrated then name me someone who isnt!

I think this speaks for itself as Eagle said....

I would CC you mate but just got you in another thread

overrated mayb wrong choice of words--but his best opposition was well past their primes.but he beat a shell of a tyson and a past his prime holyfield. he was good but boring. i just think a prime tyson woulda ko him and prime holyfield would win by ud. so i think ali would make lewis look amateur and win by a ud. compared to other greats i think
holmes would beat him
foreman
frazier
shavers
norton

lewis is lucky he never had 2 fight ali, but so are, louis ,marciano, dempsey,tyson
[/quote]
Ok Ali was great, maybe the GREATEST, but to say a monster of a man with great skills and power like Lewis wouldnt have a chance of beating him is just wrong. When Lewis was at full fitness he was arguably the best allround Heavy who ever lived. He had one punch KO power, a stiff jabe, huge reach, good speed and good skills.

[cockey cockney]

I've had stick nuff times for this but i stick to it i really really really think a Prime Tyson would give ANY heavyweight (including Ali) from any era alot of trouble. Thing with people like Marciano aswell was that he would catch Ali sooner or later im sure and he did half pack a punch even though i know he was MUCH smaller and would more then likely be clearly outboxed to a one sided UD but you never know. As has been said its very tricky to compare the fighters frm different eras becuase of size differneces, modern fitness technologys that some fighters get the benifit of and of course diet etc.

[Mr140]

Look Ali has the best resume of any heavyweight but he could be beat i would give Holmes and Lennox a good chance at beating him. People tend to put him in a states of a god but he was beatable during the 60's he best wins were Liston who was 35 most likly older some say he was 38 he has not birth date on the book i have on him and he was falling fast with his lifestyle. Do not get me wrong Ali was great but no god and could of gotten beat and trainer Monkey have you even seen the Holmes vs Ali Holmes did not even want to hit him anymore silly to bring up the round it ended.

[Trainer Monkey]

think about it--no1 could--frazier, louis, dempesy , marciano, holmes, foreman,holyfield ,tyson, and yes norton. the 60's ali was the REAL ali-FLABSLAB. no1 1 could have beaten the 60's ali

This ain't the same *Unbeatable 60s Ali* that got a gift decision against the Mediocre Doug Jones, or the same Ali that almost got KO by Cruiserweight Henry Cooper, and had to have smelling salts which wern't allowed in UK, plus have his glove split to help him survive.

Plenty could of have beaten him.

Prime Riddick Bowe
Prime Larry Holmes
Prime Lennox Lewis
Prime Joe Louis

Etc.

Oh do please,I like Holmes,but the very best Holmes there ever was couldnt knock him out even though he allready had Parkinsons
And before you say something foolish about reach or size,Ali was 6'2 and had good reach even by todays standards

Because Holmes carried Ali i thought you already knew this ?? Holmes could of stopped Ali at anytime.

And before you say something foolish about reach or size,Ali was 6'2 and had good reach even by todays standards

I wasn't even going to say that .........

I thought you knew this,for the last 3 rounds Holmes desperatly wanted Alit to either go down,or the ref to stop it
I thought you knew Ali gave Holmes a shiner when Holmes was Ali's sparring partner,thats why an Ali who was allready twiching from Parkinson was arrogant enough to come out of retirement.
He figured if the guy he taught everything he knew,who he could beat at will was heavyweight champ,well maybe one more time
Of course Holmes didnt want to hit Ali anymore,there is no Holmes without Ali
And we arent talking about the twitching from Parkinsons fat Ali are we?
We're talking Ali at the height of his game,he'd have annihilated Holmes,hell the 70's version did it at least once a week at sparring
What on earth do you think that Ali would have done?