Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
Campas is a gate keeper and up and coming prospects fight him if you get past him then your good to move on to the next level.

But in my opinion Duddy didn't get past Campas, he got a gift decision plus you have to realize after his fight with Duddy he lost to 19-1 fighter and then struggled against journeyman Norberto Bravo. So that just shows you what kind of level Campas was at in that time in his career.
I guess I'll repeat it again. I think Duddy also lost to Campas BUT the books show he won so that's that. Now I can understand that you don't acknowledge it or see it that way. But it's done with....

Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
Sometimes as fans we put too much emphasis when figthers struggle in certain fights. I brougth this up during the Cintron thread where you were saying cause he struggled in his last fight he would loose to Williams.

I never thought Cintron would beat Williams in the first place even before his fight with Jesse Feliciano.
Got it, but you did say "After that performance I give Cintron no chance at beating Williams".
I was poitning out that we (me included) put too much emphasis on certain fights when fighters have "live" opponents.


Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez
Going on that performance. ODLH struggled with John John bad early in his career but still ODLH went on to beat other fighters who were much better then John John. Duddy struggled with Campas but learned that he can take some shots and dig down and fight on till the end.

Molina was former IBF Superfeatherweight champion and made 8 defense's he also made 3 defense's earlier in his career but lost twice to Tony Lopez. Molina moved up to Lightweight and did give Oscar De La Hoya all he could handle but the difference is, Molina was still in his peak plus he had not lost in almost 5 years. Oscar De La Hoya only had 16 pro fights at the time so he dealt with former world champion who hadn't lost in 5 years pretty good if you ask me. Thats totally different to Duddy struggling with an old shot Campas, plus Oscar De La Hoya had shown even before Molina fight that he had the skills to be elite Duddy never has.
In no way was I comparing them as fighters. I mean ODLH was a gold medalist and had an outstanding amateur.
I could rephrase myself names, titles & records aside when "prospects" and or "contenders" struggle with an opponent they are quickly singled out by us the fans.
"Well he struggled against a journeyman"
"Well he struggled against a nobody"
Fighters have off nights, sometimes as I said a well prepared opponent who doesn't look like much on paper can give the best fighter around trouble.