Interesting stuff on Tito.

[Rican]

Was watching a list they had on AUTO MESSAGE: SORRY THIS SITE NAME AND ANY CONTENT FROM IT IS BANNED FROM THIS FORUM PLEASE DELETE on the 15 biggest underachievers. Out of those fifteen there were four names; Oba Carr, David Reed, Luis Ramon Campas and Fernando Vargas.

They all had one thing in common....Felix Tito Trinidad. There are many who could KO fighters. Tito could KO entire careers.

To be honest yes Tito did ruin some of there career's but lets be honest. They were in very strong era i don't think they could of done any better.

I don't know, I am probably one of the few who believes that if DLH had faced Pre-Tito Vargas he would've been beat. And no one can tell me David Reed achieved all he was ever going to achieve whether he faced Tito or not.

You are probably right about Campas and Carr though.

I disagree about Reid, he had the droopy eye problem and even if he didn't fight Tito, the way his eye was his career wouldn't of lasted that much longer anyway.

Vargas was on steroids and still couldn't beat Oscar De La Hoya, and i don't think Vargas was that much ruined by Tito as some people think. He performed very well in Oscar De La Hoya fight and he was only behind 2 points on my card until the stoppage.

Campas was only ever goodish at best, most of his wins come against cab driver's he was never elite. Carr was good fighter but he wouldn't of ever have beat the best 90s Welterweight's.

So, basically, what you are saying is Tito sucked?

[ICB]

Was watching a list they had on AUTO MESSAGE: SORRY THIS SITE NAME AND ANY CONTENT FROM IT IS BANNED FROM THIS FORUM PLEASE DELETE on the 15 biggest underachievers. Out of those fifteen there were four names; Oba Carr, David Reed, Luis Ramon Campas and Fernando Vargas.

They all had one thing in common....Felix Tito Trinidad. There are many who could KO fighters. Tito could KO entire careers.

To be honest yes Tito did ruin some of there career's but lets be honest. They were in very strong era i don't think they could of done any better.

I don't know, I am probably one of the few who believes that if DLH had faced Pre-Tito Vargas he would've been beat. And no one can tell me David Reed achieved all he was ever going to achieve whether he faced Tito or not.

You are probably right about Campas and Carr though.

I disagree about Reid, he had the droopy eye problem and even if he didn't fight Tito, the way his eye was his career wouldn't of lasted that much longer anyway.

Vargas was on steroids and still couldn't beat Oscar De La Hoya, and i don't think Vargas was that much ruined by Tito as some people think. He performed very well in Oscar De La Hoya fight and he was only behind 2 points on my card until the stoppage.

Campas was only ever goodish at best, most of his wins come against cab driver's he was never elite. Carr was good fighter but he wouldn't of ever have beat the best 90s Welterweight's.

So, basically, what you are saying is Tito sucked?

Point out where i disrespected Tito, or said he sucked ?? i know your Tito fan but don't get so damn touchy i never even said anything bad about your boy.

[Rican]

Was watching a list they had on AUTO MESSAGE: SORRY THIS SITE NAME AND ANY CONTENT FROM IT IS BANNED FROM THIS FORUM PLEASE DELETE on the 15 biggest underachievers. Out of those fifteen there were four names; Oba Carr, David Reed, Luis Ramon Campas and Fernando Vargas.

They all had one thing in common....Felix Tito Trinidad. There are many who could KO fighters. Tito could KO entire careers.

To be honest yes Tito did ruin some of there career's but lets be honest. They were in very strong era i don't think they could of done any better.

I don't know, I am probably one of the few who believes that if DLH had faced Pre-Tito Vargas he would've been beat. And no one can tell me David Reed achieved all he was ever going to achieve whether he faced Tito or not.

You are probably right about Campas and Carr though.

I disagree about Reid, he had the droopy eye problem and even if he didn't fight Tito, the way his eye was his career wouldn't of lasted that much longer anyway.

Vargas was on steroids and still couldn't beat Oscar De La Hoya, and i don't think Vargas was that much ruined by Tito as some people think. He performed very well in Oscar De La Hoya fight and he was only behind 2 points on my card until the stoppage.

Campas was only ever goodish at best, most of his wins come against cab driver's he was never elite. Carr was good fighter but he wouldn't of ever have beat the best 90s Welterweight's.

So, basically, what you are saying is Tito sucked?

Point out where i disrespected Tito, or said he sucked ?? i know your Tito fan but don't get so damn touchy i never even said anything bad about your boy.

You never outright say Tito "sucked," but your comments sure imply that statement. You discredited his opponents (Reid, Vargas, Yori Boy), and by implication, that discredits Tito and his smashing victories over them. Just asking you to clarify your statements. I know Tito was great, and if you don't, I don't feel offended.

[ICB]

Was watching a list they had on AUTO MESSAGE: SORRY THIS SITE NAME AND ANY CONTENT FROM IT IS BANNED FROM THIS FORUM PLEASE DELETE on the 15 biggest underachievers. Out of those fifteen there were four names; Oba Carr, David Reed, Luis Ramon Campas and Fernando Vargas.

They all had one thing in common....Felix Tito Trinidad. There are many who could KO fighters. Tito could KO entire careers.

To be honest yes Tito did ruin some of there career's but lets be honest. They were in very strong era i don't think they could of done any better.

I don't know, I am probably one of the few who believes that if DLH had faced Pre-Tito Vargas he would've been beat. And no one can tell me David Reed achieved all he was ever going to achieve whether he faced Tito or not.

You are probably right about Campas and Carr though.

I disagree about Reid, he had the droopy eye problem and even if he didn't fight Tito, the way his eye was his career wouldn't of lasted that much longer anyway.

Vargas was on steroids and still couldn't beat Oscar De La Hoya, and i don't think Vargas was that much ruined by Tito as some people think. He performed very well in Oscar De La Hoya fight and he was only behind 2 points on my card until the stoppage.

Campas was only ever goodish at best, most of his wins come against cab driver's he was never elite. Carr was good fighter but he wouldn't of ever have beat the best 90s Welterweight's.

So, basically, what you are saying is Tito sucked?

Point out where i disrespected Tito, or said he sucked ?? i know your Tito fan but don't get so damn touchy i never even said anything bad about your boy.

You never outright say Tito "sucked," but your comments sure imply that statement. You discredited his opponents (Reid, Vargas, Yori Boy), and by implication, that discredits Tito and his smashing victories over them. Just asking you to clarify your statements. I know Tito was great, and if you don't, I don't feel offended.

The topic was about Tito ending careers right ?? i was pointing out that Carr, Reid, Campas, Vargas, even if they didn't fight Tito they would not have achieved anymore than what they did based on how strong Welterweight/Lightmiddleweight division's were.

I don't know where you got the impression i was saying Tito sucked, but i can tell you i have a lot of respect for Tito and i think he is one of the greatest Welterweight's of all time.

[Rican]

Thanks for clarifying that.