Oscar De La Hoya???

[The Fightfan]

Oscar is my favorite fight along with Holyfield.You do have to say how smart he is though.Shit If I could fight once or twice a year and bring 10 million easy wouldn't you do the same.Everyone should get off his case he had said a long time ago."You have to fight the best to be the best" and that is exactly what he is trying to do.I certainly would like to see him fight Cotto and you know what who here would not buy that PPV.If you say no your probably lying through your teeth and fingers.

[ICB]

Always had massive respect for Oscar De La Hoya his opposition is some of the best i've ever seen. Even if you think he should have had more losses on his record he has fought the best, and you got to admire that, the man has won 6 world titles in 6 different weight classes he still has his legacy intact retire Oscar damn it.

CC ICB you beat me again ...... I CC'd you because I agree with everything you say, Oscar could'nt beat Mayweather in 07 so what's different on 08, Cotto is to hungry and younger for him and if Hatton had any sense he would'nt take the fight because it would be at WW, as you say his legacy is secured and he will just be dinting his record with another loss he's beat the likes of Gatto, Mayorga, Sturm, Chavez, Whittaker, Vargas etc and should retire and he can say he fought the best and pushed PBF tougher than anyone else has only losing a split decision to him.

back bro.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Right now Oscars a businessman not a boxer.

He's talking about fighting smaller guys for huge paydays and halfing the risk of being hurt.

Should he pick up a win, well thats great, but it's not about the glory, it's not about boxing it's all money.

Sure he's sacrificing a great legacy he made when he was younger, sure he's practically using boxing as a finance medium, but how many of us wish we had the fame and power to do the same? Show up on fight night bam....20 million dollars.

[Kev]

Right now Oscars a businessman not a boxer.

He's talking about fighting smaller guys for huge paydays and halfing the risk of being hurt.

Should he pick up a win, well thats great, but it's not about the glory, it's not about boxing it's all money.

Sure he's sacrificing a great legacy he made when he was younger, sure he's practically using boxing as a finance medium, but how many of us wish we had the fame and power to do the same? Show up on fight night bam....20 million dollars.

What smaller guys? He was in negotiations to fight Ricky Hatton before the Mayweather fight, there are no other smaller guys as far as I know of.

You can't seriously count guys like Cotto and Mayweather as smaller guys as these are top two guys in the world. He wants to fight only the best and Cotto and Floyd ARE the best.

As for Ricky it now looks unlikely that this fight will happen anyway.

Oscar has ALWAYS fought the best opposition out there, seriously name me a single other fight in the sport who has fought a better resume of fighters than Oscar?

He's the most popular non heavyweight fighter of all time, a 6 weight world champ and he's still competitive against the world's best.

He's always been competitive against every opponent he's ever faced, only stopped once in his entire career.

If he should retire then so should Hatton, Mosely, Spinks, Mayorga, Forrest, Margarito, Collazo, Clottey, Hopkins, Wright, Kessler, Lacy, Taylor and every other fighter who has ever lost a fight

[Tysonbruno]

Did'nt Oscar say he wanted to fight Pac aswell?

[donnydarkoIRL]

What smaller guys? He was in negotiations to fight Ricky Hatton before the Mayweather fight, there are no other smaller guys as far as I know of.
Golden Boy Promotions yesterday released a statement saying they were chasing one of three fights for May 2008. Mayweather, Cotto or Hatton all smaller guys. Theres a thread about it.
You can't seriously count guys like Cotto and Mayweather as smaller guys as these are top two guys in the world. He wants to fight only the best and Cotto and Floyd ARE the best
Yes I do count them as smaller. Oscar is a tall Light Middleweight. Cotto and Mayweather are small Welters.
As for Ricky it now looks unlikely that this fight will happen anyway.
It won't. Ray Hatton yesterday said Ricky is a "shadow of himself" and he'll be fighting a "world ranked opponent" in one of two fights next year, possibly in Ireland.
Oscar has ALWAYS fought the best opposition out there, seriously name me a single other fight in the sport who has fought a better resume of fighters than Oscar?
Currently: Manny Pacquaio.
All-Time: Sugar Ray Leonard, many more.
The difference being Oscar lost a lot more.
He's the most popular non heavyweight fighter of all time, a 6 weight world champ and he's still competitive against the world's best.
Of our era maybe, I'd say Jones Jr. and Ray Leonard may rival him. He's till competitive against p4p the best in fighting smaller guys. The last guy he fought at his own weight was Mayorga, hardly the best.
He's always been competitive against every opponent he's ever faced, only stopped once in his entire career.
Competitive is fine, but there are no silver medals in boxing. Trinidad is the only great he beat.
If he should retire then so should Hatton, Mosely, Spinks, Mayorga, Forrest, Margarito, Collazo, Clottey, Hopkins, Wright, Kessler, Lacy, Taylor and every other fighter who has ever lost a fight
Ricky Hatton has lost once to the best pound for pound fighter on the planet, why retire?
Shane Mosely has nothing more to prove, perhaps he should. ATG LW.
Spinks has just moved to light Middle after going 12 with the middleweight champion.why retire??
Mayorga perhaps should retire. He will not make waves at 147, 154 is deepening.
Margarito is one of the best welters on the planet, a rediculous proposal.
Hopkins should retire. He has nothing left to prove, one more maybe.
Wright is in Limbo, but I feel a drop in weight before one final run will preceed retirtement.
Kessler just gave Joe Calzaghe his closest fight. Calzaghe is at the end of his reign leaving Kessler the heir apparent.
Taylor is set to rematch Pavlik his future will be clearer after that fight.

I never discredited De la Hoya. He was a great fighter in younger days. But nobody is under the illusion that he remains in the game for anything other than easy money.

[The Rookie Fan]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

[donnydarkoIRL]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

[ICB]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar.  DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up.  Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!   

Everything else, I agree.   

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

I love how you say Oscar beat aged Whitaker, Chavez. But wasn't Morales and Barrera *Aged* as well ??

[Pugilistic]

he is a pain. i want him to retire.

[ICB]

You Can't Compare There Opposition.

Oscar's Opposition

Pernell Whitaker
Ike Quartey
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Shane Mosley x2
Felix Trinidad
Javier Castillejo
Arturo Gatti
Oba Carr
Julio Cesar Chavez x2
Wilfredo Rivera
Hector Camacho
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
John John Molina
Jeff Mayweather
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jorge Paez
Ricardo Mayorga
Luis Ramon Campas

Manny Pacquiao's Opposition

Erik Morales x3
Marco Antonio Barrera x2
Juan Manuel Marquez
Jorge Solis
Oscar Larios
Agapito Sanchez
Fahsan 3K Battery


Its not even close Donny.

[donnydarkoIRL]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

I love how you say Oscar beat aged Whitaker, Chavez. But wasn't Morales and Barrera *Aged* as well ??

To an extent yes. The first time Pacquiao fought my guy Barrera he was prime, but mentally not perfect. Morales was out, but I feel still less aged than Chavez and Whittaker by the time they faced DLH.

[Tysonbruno]

The 1st time Pac and Barrera fought i would say Barrera was coming to the end.

[ICB]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

I love how you say Oscar beat aged Whitaker, Chavez. But wasn't Morales and Barrera *Aged* as well ??

To an extent yes. The first time Pacquiao fought my guy Barrera he was prime, but mentally not perfect. Morales was out, but I feel still less aged than Chavez and Whittaker by the time they faced DLH.

Maybe but Whitaker and Chavez were both still long reigning World Champions when Oscar beat both of them. Whitaker vs Oscar was close yes, but Whitaker makes anyone look bad even if he was past his peak he is still handful for anyone. Plus both Chavez and Whitaker only had 1 loss when they both met Oscar De La Hoya.

[donnydarkoIRL]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

I love how you say Oscar beat aged Whitaker, Chavez. But wasn't Morales and Barrera *Aged* as well ??

To an extent yes. The first time Pacquiao fought my guy Barrera he was prime, but mentally not perfect. Morales was out, but I feel still less aged than Chavez and Whittaker by the time they faced DLH.

Maybe but Whitaker and Chavez were both still long reigning World Champions when Oscar beat both of them. Whitaker vs Oscar was close yes, but Whitaker makes anyone look bad even if he was past his peak he is still handful for anyone. Plus both Chavez and Whitaker only had 1 loss when they both met Oscar De La Hoya.

Thats true, but I think we both know that those two guys at peak had De La Hoya's number. They fought him close enough at their adavnced age to suggest that they would have had the beating of him in their prime. Particularily Whittaker.