Quote Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Sorry for the late reply.
Floyd is the greatest fighter of our era. He has confirmed to us at several weight divisions that his skill is unrivalled in boxing today. Question marks are raised about his failure to unify any division but in reality is there a necesity. Despite my earlier (inaccurate) criticisms Floyd has faced risk. He took De la Hoya and Hatton, two dangerous fighters and beat both, he took the feared Diego Corrales, he took Castillo twice. He took a huge Welter champion in Baldomir (although Baldomir will never make anyones p4p list!) He faced a number of unknown quantites and overcame every obstacle so far.
A magnificent boxer and oustanding Boxing brain, his physical deterioration may force him to retire sooner than he can confirm his ATG status.
It's not that he's going to get any better, but he may need a few more names beside his to cement his legacy. It may or may not happen, but in the eyes of the purist I feel he's up there.
* an overaged De La Hoya that fights @ 1 a year
* an undersized Hatton
* a decent but defense lacking Diego Corrales
* Baldomir - little known guy outside of his beating of the average Gatti and
underachieving Judah.
* Castillo - never met a scale he liked. A poorly conditioned boxer with a
questionable committment to boxing.

Are you telling this site that this is the recipe to ATG status? Well Vernon Forrest is 2 fights away (Judah & ODLH) from passing PBF. The Diego fight is impossible and he has already UD'd Baldomir. In addition he has 2 wins vs Mosley and vs Quartey. And Vernon is no where near an ATG. I would have to say your perspective has a glaring hole in it.



Great reply Donnyboy then again it is like trying to get credit for bagging Farrah Faucet today because she was once hot. The name attached is not all that matters it is the time and quality of the opponent s' achievements leading to that pinnacle moment. It is simple to see that you did not interpret this as an analogy. Corrales was as you mentioned at the time at the top of his game. But you have to question some his competition prior to the PBF fight. That is unless you think Manfredy was a beast. After PBF TKO the same TKO feat was repeated by Castillo, Casamayor, and Freitas all very good boxers but not ATG's. Baldomir lol .... nice euphamism "Huge welterweight". Now the Castillo 1 fight was as large a gift as one can receive. However he did beat him soundly in the rematch. It appears that you have changed your opinion on PBF due in part to his destroying of your favorite boxer Hatton. Vernon has fought at previous weights of 147 against Mosley (W) and 154 Quartey and Baldomir (W) So a fight with ODLH & Judah at 147 or 154 is not far fetched. Judah just fought at 154 vs Ryan Davis. So if Vernon were able to win these 2 fights and PBF were to fight Mayorga at 147 or Mosely at 147 or 154 and lose. Then their credentials would look similar. Hence either Vernon is also an ATG at that time or you go back to your original stance on PBF.