Oscar De La Hoya???

[ICB]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

I love how you say Oscar beat aged Whitaker, Chavez. But wasn't Morales and Barrera *Aged* as well ??

To an extent yes. The first time Pacquiao fought my guy Barrera he was prime, but mentally not perfect. Morales was out, but I feel still less aged than Chavez and Whittaker by the time they faced DLH.

Maybe but Whitaker and Chavez were both still long reigning World Champions when Oscar beat both of them. Whitaker vs Oscar was close yes, but Whitaker makes anyone look bad even if he was past his peak he is still handful for anyone. Plus both Chavez and Whitaker only had 1 loss when they both met Oscar De La Hoya.

Thats true, but I think we both know that those two guys at peak had De La Hoya's number. They fought him close enough at their adavnced age to suggest that they would have had the beating of him in their prime. Particularily Whittaker.

I think Whitaker would have beat Oscar De La Hoya clearly in his prime, but im not sure about Chavez because he struggled against fast fighters, would have been interesting one to watch though.

[donnydarkoIRL]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

I love how you say Oscar beat aged Whitaker, Chavez. But wasn't Morales and Barrera *Aged* as well ??

To an extent yes. The first time Pacquiao fought my guy Barrera he was prime, but mentally not perfect. Morales was out, but I feel still less aged than Chavez and Whittaker by the time they faced DLH.

Maybe but Whitaker and Chavez were both still long reigning World Champions when Oscar beat both of them. Whitaker vs Oscar was close yes, but Whitaker makes anyone look bad even if he was past his peak he is still handful for anyone. Plus both Chavez and Whitaker only had 1 loss when they both met Oscar De La Hoya.

Thats true, but I think we both know that those two guys at peak had De La Hoya's number. They fought him close enough at their adavnced age to suggest that they would have had the beating of him in their prime. Particularily Whittaker.

I think Whitaker would have beat Oscar De La Hoya clearly in his prime, but im not sure about Chavez because he struggled against fast fighters, would have been interesting one to watch though.

Prime Whittaker for me is high on the p4p lists. He was so so crafty and slick. Iv taken to watching some of hi fights just to see some of the stuff he did on the inside.

[ICB]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar.  DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up.  Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!   

Everything else, I agree.   

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

I love how you say Oscar beat aged Whitaker, Chavez. But wasn't Morales and Barrera *Aged* as well ??

To an extent yes. The first time Pacquiao fought my guy Barrera he was prime, but mentally not perfect. Morales was out, but I feel still less aged than Chavez and Whittaker by the time they faced DLH.

Maybe but Whitaker and Chavez were both still long reigning World Champions when Oscar beat both of them. Whitaker vs Oscar was close yes, but Whitaker makes anyone look bad even if he was past his peak he is still handful for anyone. Plus both Chavez and Whitaker only had 1 loss when they both met Oscar De La Hoya.

Thats true, but I think we both know that those two guys at peak had De La Hoya's number. They fought him close enough at their adavnced age to suggest that they would have had the beating of him in their prime. Particularily Whittaker.

I think Whitaker would have beat Oscar De La Hoya clearly in his prime, but im not sure about Chavez because he struggled against fast fighters, would have been interesting one to watch though.

Prime Whittaker for me is high on the p4p lists. He was so so crafty and slick. Iv taken to watching some of hi fights just to see some of the stuff he did on the inside.

You already know im big Whitaker fan with my other name *Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker.

[The Rookie Fan]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

Roy may be loved here and rightly so but what's the most he has ever done in a PPV event?

And we have to define what you mean by beat. If you say you think he deserved the nod against Tito than I would not argue if you say beat than I have to disagree nither fighter beat the other on that night.

I feel so silly now, I am arguing both in favor and against DLH in the same post and I criticize you for posting for no other reason than to argue....

[donnydarkoIRL]

hitmandonny, some of the things you say sound like you just want to argue.

No way PACMAN has a comparable quality of opposition to Oscar. DLH's opposition is just ridiculous all the top names he has there.

Roy Jones was never that popular so I don't understand why you brought him up. Oscar could arguable claim to be as popular as Leonard was.

And he didn't beat Trinidad!!

Everything else, I agree.

I don't want to argue at all. Bilbo's post was argumentative I just replied in kind.

Not a pacquaio fan, but in fairness to the guy he's faced some bonafide legends in Morales, Barrera, JMM. Oscar fought who? Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely, Hopkins, Chavez (Aged), Whittaker (Aged), Mayweather.
I like Oscar a lot, but he was gifted a lot in his career and yet he lost to a lot of the big names he fought. Whittaker should have got the nod against him imo.

rOY jONES HERE IS NEAR AS POPULAR AS ALI AND LEONARD! hE'S LOVED!!!

And in reality Oscar did beat Trinidad. The judges gifted Trinidad and we must live with thta, but Oscar was robbed that night.

Roy may be loved here and rightly so but what's the most he has ever done in a PPV event?

And we have to define what you mean by beat. If you say you think he deserved the nod against Tito than I would not argue if you say beat than I have to disagree nither fighter beat the other on that night.

I feel so silly now, I am arguing both in favor and against DLH in the same post and I criticize you for posting for no other reason than to argue....

As i said idon't want to argue. I think my initial post was fair, Bilbo took issue with it and I replied.

I actually have no idea how to come across PPV numbers so I can't tell you. However, when he fought Ruiz I thought the numbers were high


By beat, I mean the judges took a victory from Oscar. He boxed very well early and although he gave away the last rounds it was clear (to me at least) that he did enough.
However, as I've said before the judges made their decision and we must live with it.

[Jman76]

With losses to Mosely twice,Trinidad,Hopkins and Mayweather can he afford anymore losses on his record.

I don't understand, you just mentioned 4 of the best fighters of our time.

Yes but Oscar lost to them all nevermind how a loss is a loss and im asking can his legacy take anymore big losses against big names.

Yes a loss is a loss but it also matters how you lose. Mosley beat him the first time, it was close but clear that Mosley won. Oscar beat Mosley the 2nd time, it was clear Oscar won. Mayweather beat him, not easily in any way...I still see DLH as the winner. Trinidad did NOT beat him, no way in hell! And the Hopkins fight shouldn't even play a role in his legacy since he was NOT going to beat Hopkins since Hopkins is clearly the bigger guy(same with Trinidad ). If anything, fighting Hopkins makes Oscar look great for 2 reasons:
1) He gave BHop a close fight and was boxing very nicely
2) He had the balls to challenge him ( big mistake in my opinion )

So no, it won't hurt his legacy since he didn't get KOed by Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, etc...

[ICB]

With losses to Mosely twice,Trinidad,Hopkins and Mayweather can he afford anymore losses on his record.

I don't understand, you just mentioned 4 of the best fighters of our time.

Yes but Oscar lost to them all nevermind how a loss is a loss and im asking can his legacy take anymore big losses against big names.

Yes a loss is a loss but it also matters how you lose. Mosley beat him the first time, it was close but clear that Mosley won. Oscar beat Mosley the 2nd time, it was clear Oscar won. Mayweather beat him, not easily in any way...I still see DLH as the winner. Trinidad did NOT beat him, no way in hell! And the Hopkins fight shouldn't even play a role in his legacy since he was NOT going to beat Hopkins since Hopkins is clearly the bigger guy(same with Trinidad ). If anything, fighting Hopkins makes Oscar look great for 2 reasons:
1) He gave BHop a close fight and was boxing very nicely
2) He had the balls to challenge him ( big mistake in my opinion )

So no, it won't hurt his legacy since he didn't get KOed by Trinidad, Mosley, Mayweather, etc...

Mosley didn't beat Oscar De La Hoya clearly ?? i think Mosley easily beat Oscar De La Hoya by at least 3 or 4 rounds and Oscar De La Hoya beat Mosley by about 2 rounds in the rematch.

[The Rookie Fan]

I will no longer pay attention to anybody who sais DLH beat Tito till I see a round by round on Sweet Pea's thread.

Here's the link http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,56113.0.html