60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.

[ICB]

Cmon Ice,I know you hate Ali,and want to make your point that he's over rated,but this is getting over the top
Joes style was to slow of foot to catch that prime Ali
Now maybe if he'd trained in the 60's and had been taught then,maybe Joe fights totally different,quite possible
But style for style,as we know both fighters,Louis was built for Ali to play games with

Cmon Ice,I know you hate Ali,and want to make your point that he's over rated,but this is getting over the top

I don't hate Ali i dislike him, but i do enjoy some of his fights.

Joes style was to slow of foot to catch that prime Ali

And Doug Jones, Henry Cooper, were speed demons ??

Now maybe if he'd trained in the 60's and had been taught then,maybe Joe fights totally different,quite possible
But style for style,as we know both fighters,Louis was built for Ali to play games with

For someone who is boxing trainer im shocked you think, Ali would play with one of the Greatest Heavyweights of all time.

Its how Joe came in,its too slow,thats why Ali had that jab,he'd catch guys coming in like that
Dude one of my wifes gifts is a Team Louis Sweatshirt,its just too slow of a style to get in on someone like Ali
You dont have to like it,but the truth of it is,Ali could get away with toying with guys in that era,and did,these weren Mike Tyson chumps dug up to pad his record,these guys were the best out there. And he treated them like a cat plays with a mouse. And ended them when he got bored with the fight.

Its how Joe came in,its too slow,thats why Ali had that jab,he'd catch guys coming in like that
Dude one of my wifes gifts is a Team Louis Sweatshirt,its just too slow of a style to get in on someone like Ali

How did Doug Jones do so well then and Henry Cooper ?? both were slower than Louis and both couldn't carry Joe Louis's spit bucket.

You dont have to like it,but the truth of it is,Ali could get away with toying with guys in that era,and did,these weren Mike Tyson chumps dug up to pad his record,these guys were the best out there. And he treated them like a cat plays with a mouse. And ended them when he got bored with the fight.

Michael Spinks
Larry Holmes
Tony Tucker

These fighters alone are better than most of Ali's competition in 60s.

Zora Folley
Cleveland Williams
Brian London
Karl Mildenberger
Doug Jones

Etc.

I was agreeing with your list there ICB up until you posted Tucker... You completely reached for that one there IMO.
The thing to keep in mind there with Ali and his opponents is for example...
Folley was coming off some very impressive wins over Mildenberger, Bonavena, Chuvalo, Foster... So he had fought himself to Ali.
Mildenberegr was the European Champ.
Also curious to know why you failed to leave out some other Ali opponents of the 60's.One thing to look for since you like to look at BoxRec (I'm not saying this to make fun of you or anything) is see how many of these names all appear on each others records?
That's cause these were the best around at that time Oscar, Karl, Zora, Henry, Terrell, Williams etc. etc. etc.

Tony Tucker was 35-0 and was one of the best Heavyweights of the 80s.

And where do you keep getting from that i look up on Boxrec ?? i don't i have watched most of Ali's fights i know about his opponent's i don't need Boxrec to tell me.

Also curious to know why you failed to leave out some other Ali opponents of the 60's.

The reason i didn't mention all of Ali's opposition in 60s because i was trying to explain to Monkey that Tyson's opposition was a lot better than most of Muhammad Ali's opposition, thats why i only mentioned majority of them and not all them like George Chuvalo, 44 year old Archie Moore, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson etc.

see how many of these names all appear on each others records?
That's cause these were the best around at that time Oscar, Karl, Zora, Henry, Terrell, Williams etc. etc. etc.

They were best of there era i never denied that but it doesn't make them good Heavyweight's, because it was weak era at that time until late 60s/early 70s when the big boys started to come along.