Puya's take on Oscar de La Hoya

[Puya]

There is no hate you are a Fan and I'm not of Oscar that is

[zhubin]

There is no hate you are a Fan and I'm not of Oscar that is

Fan or not...you need to see logic. He is the biggest name in the sport...fighters would love to fight him. This is a business...and 99.999% of fighters want the big payday and publicity. So don't blame Oscar if he wants to fight Cotto/Hatton, etc...and they in turn want to sign up to fight him...that's not Oscar's fault. He is beyond the point where he has to "earn" anything. Whether that's a good thing or not is a whole other discussion.

[SweetPea]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

He easily beat Whitaker... not that it was an easy fight, but it was definite that he came out on top... like Cotto-Mosley when watched a few times. Oscar was landing the harder shots, and he landed more, but he did lose to Ike Quartey by a round or two... I felt Quartey had superior hand speed and really gave Oscar troubles, but even that was only by a round or two.

Disagree.

It's perfectly acceptable for someone to say that DLH beat Whitaker. It was a close fight with a lot of close rounds that could have gone either way.
However, there is no way to say that either man clearly won the fight.

Just for reference, over half the media watching the fight at ringside had Whitaker winning, and when we went back and scored that fight on this board, it was about 50/50, if I remember correctly.

[Puya]

He hasn't won a decent fight since Luis Ramon Campas.

Yes he has to earn it.

[Violent Demise]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

I had him beating Whitaker but losing to Quartey.

[ICB]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

I had him beating Whitaker but losing to Quartey.

I had Whitaker vs Oscar a draw but i had him losing by 1 point to Quartey.

[zhubin]

He hasn't won a decent fight since Luis Ramon Campas.

Yes he has to earn it.

You keep thinking that.

[ICB]

Grow Up...in his prime he beat everyone....including Trinidad, that fought him and was one of the best of his generation. He lost his first fight with Mosley while he was still in his better days, but that was a great fight that both fighters were impressive in at times. If you dislike him personally thats another thing but he has always fought the best and beaten legends in the process.

Well, this works both ways...

You say Oscar beat Trinidad, I'll counter by saying he lost to Whitaker and Quartey.

There's no question whatsoever that Oscar has fought the best of the best, whether or not he's beaten the best of the best is a whole different matter.

He easily beat Whitaker... not that it was an easy fight, but it was definite that he came out on top... like Cotto-Mosley when watched a few times. Oscar was landing the harder shots, and he landed more, but he did lose to Ike Quartey by a round or two... I felt Quartey had superior hand speed and really gave Oscar troubles, but even that was only by a round or two.

He easily beat Whitaker

[Taeth]

Read it more careful Ice Cold... I said in terms of points he easily won meaning he evidently won by about 2 rounds. It was a close fight, and one of Oscar's toughest, but he won because he landed the harder more significant punches, mostly with his right hand no less.

To Puya, I believe that Oscar earns whatever fight he wants because of the opposition he has always foughten... How many guys would take a tune up against Mayorga? Or do as well as he did against Floyd? I seriously can't anybody except maybe Hatton or MOsley doing as well as him against Floyd.

[Puya]

He hasn't won a decent fight since Luis Ramon Campas.

Yes he has to earn it.

You keep thinking that.

Yes I will

[ICB]

Read it more careful Ice Cold... I said in terms of points he easily won meaning he evidently won by about 2 rounds. It was a close fight, and one of Oscar's toughest, but he won because he landed the harder more significant punches, mostly with his right hand no less.

To Puya, I believe that Oscar earns whatever fight he wants because of the opposition he has always foughten... How many guys would take a tune up against Mayorga? Or do as well as he did against Floyd? I seriously can't anybody except maybe Hatton or MOsley doing as well as him against Floyd.

Read it more careful Ice Cold... I said in terms of points he easily won meaning he evidently won by about 2 rounds. It was a close fight, and one of Oscar's toughest, but he won because he landed the harder more significant punches, mostly with his right hand no less.

2 rounds is reasonable i thought you ment by a wider margin nvm.

[Puya]

First I have to admit that he has done good to boxing making fights as a promoter but as a boxer he is damaging the sport.

First lose the fight against Mosley part II then he fights Vargar....why? he lost by KO to Tito, after that goes up to fight Felix Sturm he won the fight but almost everyone felt that he lost that fight. Then I give him credit for fighting B-Hop but lost by KO. This is the part I most hate.....HE is decided not to fight Winky after he(Winky) Pick apart Tito in a fashion way but goes to fight MAYORGA the one who lost by KO to Tito and of course Oscar won it. Then he decides to look for smaller opponents and finds Mayweather who was extremely hungry for money and lost by SD a fight that in my eyes he lost by 2 rounds 116-112.

So far he had more losses than wins but the fight he won where against Mayorga and a gift decision against Sturm.

Why in the world he is so deserving to fight Cotto or the winner of Hatton / Mayweather ? this 3 are Elite while Oscar is NO MORE. Like everyone else he has to fight hes way up to get another chance For example....

Margarito looses the fight against Williams so he goes and fights his way to get another shot and since Oscar looses to PBF he has to fight and win to get another shot.. I have an Idea!!! instead of causing more damage to the sport of boxing do good then since you have 2 more fights in you like you said. Leave Cotto and the Winner of HAtton/Mayweather and go fight Margarito to see how can you handle a top WW and if you win BOOM there is your shot at the title or you can do us a favor and retire your a** and do what you are doing great Boxing promotion.

I had to take it out of my system and please excuse my grammar.

WTF are you talking about? First of all Oscar didn't lose by KO to Tito... only Bernard has ko'ed him. Second IMO, and in his opinion Oscar beat Mosley in their second fight. Also Mosley wasn't going to fight Oscar again because he wanted 50-50 so then he fought Wright. Secondly Oscar has done very lately... he stood equal to a middleweight before the size difference overcame him. Except Sturm he has made only good showings lately, and has improved as a fighter. He beat Mayorga much worse than Tito did, and that was a tune up match. Last but not least if you had Oscar losing by two points against MAyweather it wouldn't be 116-112 because thats 4 rounds.

Nope I said he lost to Tito, Mosley, B-Hop by KO and PBF by 2 (rounds in my eyes).
When I meant he is damaging the sport is the issue of coming between the Winner of PBF/HAtton vs Cotto instead of earning his way to a Tittle shot.(I said earn because he has lost his fights and with the best out there it don't matter they were close a loss is a loss).

Margarito is doing what he suppose to do, Oscar should do the same and since they are both in the same weight class now they should fight each other and the winner could be set to fight the winner of Cotto vs PBF/HAtton.

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!

now allot of you are hating on OScar hahaha

[Jman76]

All the wieght classes or not, Oscar is the most over rated boxer in the history of the sport. He is a homosexual, loses fights, takes dives, and is generally a horrible individual. I hope he figths Judah and gets KTFO.

Boozeboxer & LEGION you guys seriously cracked me up! Please explain how the hell Judah or Margarito would beat Oscar...Judah, would lose EASILY...yes EASILY...one more time...EASILY, probably in 4 rounds. Margarito would last like 6 rounds and I'd see Oscar landing 3 or 4 punch combos for every punch Margarito landed ( very few by the way since Oscar still has a very good defense ). Thanks for the laugh though...

[boozeboxer]

Margarito is in for more than a 24/7 reality show and a glorified sparring session, that gives him an advantage over someone as hungry for employment as Bilbo.
I have just witnessed the light. ODLH in the best shape of his life. Refusing to jab. Refusing to do anything that might win a fight.
So he can beat Mayorga. And Mayorga just beat Vargas. Oh I see that you are right. ODLH can give anyone trouble.