* Who is the Greatest African fighter? *

[THE THIRD MAN]

Real good list. Agreed with Nelson at #1. I might have had Harry Simon a little higher, but I admit I'm kinda biased as Im a big fan of his

Thanks for the input....
Harry def. had some really good wins in his career.

It's the Professor for sure, Nelson was a superb champion throughout his career, i would consider Quartey up next just ahead of Tiger.

Right on THIRD MAN on Nelson.
What are you going by when you say Ike over Tiger? (curious)
I feel that Tiger was very skilled, fought the better opposition and the wins-loses and titles are more then what Ike did.

Ike Quartey is from Ghana. I remember this. I had a professor from Ghana and we talked about it. We also spoke of something like %40 of Ghanians smoke reefer all day, everyday. For a while after that I wanted to do a study abroad in Ghana. It is supposed to be a beautiful country too. I had dreams of doing nothing but boxing and smoking weed all day and all night in Ghana

Accra, Ghana to be exact.... Thanks for the input Cortez.
Smoking the and must be something.....

I have spent some time reading about Tiger as there is little footage of him in action, his record is certainly impressive with big wins over Torres and Benvenuti, I have seen more of Ike and i like watching his fights, I think he was given a raw deal in the DLH and Forrest fights. You are probably right that Tiger is number 2 though. Tiger fought all the big names in that era and sometimes twice. Shame he died so young.

[CutMeMick]

Real good list. Agreed with Nelson at #1. I might have had Harry Simon a little higher, but I admit I'm kinda biased as Im a big fan of his

Thanks for the input....
Harry def. had some really good wins in his career.

It's the Professor for sure, Nelson was a superb champion throughout his career, i would consider Quartey up next just ahead of Tiger.

Right on THIRD MAN on Nelson.
What are you going by when you say Ike over Tiger? (curious)
I feel that Tiger was very skilled, fought the better opposition and the wins-loses and titles are more then what Ike did.

Ike Quartey is from Ghana. I remember this. I had a professor from Ghana and we talked about it. We also spoke of something like %40 of Ghanians smoke reefer all day, everyday. For a while after that I wanted to do a study abroad in Ghana. It is supposed to be a beautiful country too. I had dreams of doing nothing but boxing and smoking weed all day and all night in Ghana

Accra, Ghana to be exact.... Thanks for the input Cortez.
Smoking the and must be something.....

I have spent some time reading about Tiger as there is little footage of him in action, his record is certainly impressive with big wins over Torres and Benvenuti, I have seen more of Ike and i like watching his fights, I think he was given a raw deal in the DLH and Forrest fights. You are probably right that Tiger is number 2 though. Tiger fought all the big names in that era and sometimes twice. Shame he died so young.

Cool, Third Man let me know on a update thru PM if you like when you've read up well on Tiger and to further speculate here I've seen Tiger listed at#1 in lists of African Greats.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Real good list. Agreed with Nelson at #1. I might have had Harry Simon a little higher, but I admit I'm kinda biased as Im a big fan of his

Thanks for the input....
Harry def. had some really good wins in his career.

It's the Professor for sure, Nelson was a superb champion throughout his career, i would consider Quartey up next just ahead of Tiger.

Right on THIRD MAN on Nelson.
What are you going by when you say Ike over Tiger? (curious)
I feel that Tiger was very skilled, fought the better opposition and the wins-loses and titles are more then what Ike did.

Ike Quartey is from Ghana. I remember this. I had a professor from Ghana and we talked about it. We also spoke of something like %40 of Ghanians smoke reefer all day, everyday. For a while after that I wanted to do a study abroad in Ghana. It is supposed to be a beautiful country too. I had dreams of doing nothing but boxing and smoking weed all day and all night in Ghana

Accra, Ghana to be exact.... Thanks for the input Cortez.
Smoking the and must be something.....

I have spent some time reading about Tiger as there is little footage of him in action, his record is certainly impressive with big wins over Torres and Benvenuti, I have seen more of Ike and i like watching his fights, I think he was given a raw deal in the DLH and Forrest fights. You are probably right that Tiger is number 2 though. Tiger fought all the big names in that era and sometimes twice. Shame he died so young.

Cool, Third Man let me know on a update thru PM if you like when you've read up well on Tiger and to further speculate here I've seen Tiger listed at#1 in lists of African Greats.

I have read excerpts from The life and times of a boxing immortal, what a movie his story would make.! I didn't know about the robbery against Griffith, worst decision in boxing history says the Ring at the time. Dick Tiger is a legend and was a great man.

[El Gamo]

Oh crap,I have about 3 fights of Dick Tiger which I have not seen because,to be honest,I didn't know how good he was! A grea thread though,great for someone liek me to learn from. Super stuff as per the norm Mick,CC. Man,you look at all these African fighters,and you see a few things they had in common-superb physical specimens and dam tough as nails,all of them!

[CutMeMick]

Oh crap,I have about 3 fights of Dick Tiger which I have not seen because,to be honest,I didn't know how good he was! A grea thread though,great for someone liek me to learn from. Super stuff as per the norm Mick,CC. Man,you look at all these African fighters,and you see a few things they had in common-superb physical specimens and dam tough as nails,all of them!

CC#2252 on me Gamo and your spot on man... Danny_G said it in the 1st pg. these dudes are tough as nails and they come to fight.
You guys couldn't be more right.

[telboy66]

Dick Tiger by a street

[THE THIRD MAN]

Oh crap,I have about 3 fights of Dick Tiger which I have not seen because,to be honest,I didn't know how good he was! A grea thread though,great for someone liek me to learn from. Super stuff as per the norm Mick,CC. Man,you look at all these African fighters,and you see a few things they had in common-superb physical specimens and dam tough as nails,all of them!

Dick Tiger - The Life And Times Of A Boxing Immortal by Adeyinka Makinde is only a recent release and is still available, check this out, Tiger was outspoken and a proud African and the book covers his story thoroughly both inside and outside the Ring.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Thanks Mick for the tip on Tiger, i knew he was good but not that good, i think i was clouded by his KO loss to Foster, ( how good was Foster to have stopped Tiger in 4?) I still rank Nelson as the number 1 African fighter but i have no problems with Tiger being ranked equally alongside him .

[RozzySean]

Who do you consider the to be the greatest African fighter of all time?
Weeks a go I made a thread about the greatest Japanese fighter. Thanks to everyone for the replies and input I myself learned some stuff from that thread.
I did some research for the greatest African fighter here's what I came up with...

(Let me clarify that I put the list together looking at skills, opposition, titles, wins vs. loses among other things. I've also at least seen 1 full fight of each fighter plus highlights.)


1. Azumah Nelson
2. Dick Tiger (Richard Ihetu)
3. Thulani Malinga
4. Ike Quartey
5. Ayub Kalule
6. Sumbu Kalambay (Thanks No Contest )
7. Harry Simon
8. Brian Mitchell
9.Digaan Thobela
10. Vuyani Bungu



*It's hard for me to rate Hogan Bassey cause I've only seen some small clips on him I know he beat Pep and all that but still I'd hate to rate him on that alone

Honor mentions: Piet Crous, Zolani Petelo, Silence Mabuza, Kassim Ouma, Ike Ibeabuchi, John Mugabi.


Thoughts opinions?

*Shit load of edits made.

John Mugabi should be in the top 3. Mugabi would have eaten Ike Quartey for breakfast then and Brian Mitchell for desert.

[Spicoli]

Who do you consider the to be the greatest African fighter of all time?
Weeks a go I made a thread about the greatest Japanese fighter. Thanks to everyone for the replies and input I myself learned some stuff from that thread.
I did some research for the greatest African fighter here's what I came up with...

(Let me clarify that I put the list together looking at skills, opposition, titles, wins vs. loses among other things. I've also at least seen 1 full fight of each fighter plus highlights.)


1. Azumah Nelson
2. Dick Tiger (Richard Ihetu)
3. Thulani Malinga
4. Ike Quartey
5. Ayub Kalule
6. Sumbu Kalambay (Thanks No Contest )
7. Harry Simon
8. Brian Mitchell
9.Digaan Thobela
10. Vuyani Bungu



*It's hard for me to rate Hogan Bassey cause I've only seen some small clips on him I know he beat Pep and all that but still I'd hate to rate him on that alone

Honor mentions: Piet Crous, Zolani Petelo, Silence Mabuza, Kassim Ouma, Ike Ibeabuchi, John Mugabi.


Thoughts opinions?

*S*** load of edits made.

John Mugabi should be in the top 3. Mugabi would have eaten Ike Quartey for breakfast then and Brian Mitchell for desert.

Considering Mitchell was a Jr.Lt weight sure.Mugabi gave Hagler hell in there fight but he had many years shaved off him in that war.With respest,No way was he any where near the top 3.

[RozzySean]

I didn't mean literally with Mitchell. I am saying that Mitchell isn't nearly as good as p4p as Mugabi, and I put Mugabi ahead of Quartey.

[Spicoli]

I didn't mean literally with Mitchell. I am saying that Mitchell isn't nearly as good as p4p as Mugabi, and I put Mugabi ahead of Quartey.

Fair enough but what exactly vaults Mugabi into top P4P status.
Mitchell,Put all of the politics and F!!!!d up policies of South Africa at the time aside,Mitchell made a record (at the time) 12 defenses."Draw" in unification with Tony Lopez in 1st meeting was a great classic war and Mitchell took him in the rematch...both in Lopez's hometown.
To each his own but aside from being a murderous puncher and giving Hagler some tough spots that was really Mugabi's peak.He turned his back and lost with a busted eye against Duane Thomas after Hagler fight.He did win title ko1 Jacquuot but lost it shortly there after. Mugabi VERY exciting,Huge banger and good story but I dont see him over Mitchell as P4P,no way.
Some can argue the Quartey placement vs. Mugabi..I wont.Quartey Way to inconsistent and inactive for me.But that jab could give anyone hell.

[ICB]

I didn't mean literally with Mitchell. I am saying that Mitchell isn't nearly as good as p4p as Mugabi, and I put Mugabi ahead of Quartey.

I don't see how you could because except, for Mugabi giving Hagler a tough fight he never beat one single good opponent in his entire career.

[Scrap]

Little story about Tiger, Terry Downes at the press conference after being stopped by Dick at Shoreditch Town Hall London. The press asked Terry whom hed like to fight next, Terry replied The Fucking Matchmaker

[telboy66]

Yeah I remember that remark Scrap, Terry was allways quick with a cutting remark