60's ALI: there is no HW great that could have beaten him.

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Funny,I just watched Ali/Frazier 3 again last night
Frazier was a far superior fighter then Tyson even then,just as fast,just as strong,not nearly so one dimensional as Tyson,whose entire game plan was either knock him out or get in to maintain head to head contact
Ali just abuses him in that fight
And thats the old Ali
Ali would destroy Tyson

Totally disagree Tyson has better defense than Frazier, puts combos together, etc. Frazier has bigger heart. But to say Frazier is superior fighter is way off the mark IMO.

Tyson had a terrible defense,it was two hands high at all times with no nuance what so ever
With the variation of the Philly crab that Frazier fought in you could change it up,two hand high your stuck,which is why when Tysons foot speed was shot,so was he. That guards relatively easy to beat

Tyson had a terrible defense,it was two hands high at all times with no nuance what so ever

Thats total nonsense i see Tyson avoid 10 punches in a row then spark the other guy out. Tyson had terrible defense are you kidding me ??

Frazier used to get caught all the time in fights, he used to bob and weaver but not throw any punches, Tyson would bob a weaver 3 or 4 times then land his punches, Frazier's defense is nowhere near as good as Tyson's.

That guards relatively easy to beat

Yeah thats why when he no longer had the footspeed a nobody like Danny Williams tore him up
His Defense sucked,in his prime he had great,and I do mean great footspeed,when that went,so did he.
You want to fight that guard,go right ahead,just tell me where to send the flowers or make a donation in lieu of flowers
Tyson got by on intimidation for a long time,guys would freeze up,Bruno especially
Your feelings on Ali
He was racist,no he wasnt,but America at the time certainly was,he got death threats over Frazier/Ali 1
He was racist towards Frazier,no he gave everybody he fought a nickname,Liston was the Bear,Frazier was the Gorilla,etc,etc
I think part of what was so hurtful about that nickname towards Joe,was he couldnt understand why every white construction worker wanted him to win,and Ali was the black champ.
Theyve talked it out,why that happened was Ali stood up to the white power structure in this country
You dont think there is one,black people have been free in this country for how long?
Name me a black president
Hell,we've only had one catholic one
White protestant males as far as the eye can see
Youve also bought in to the Larry Holmes self pity of "They all hated me because I beat Ali"
I love Larry Holmes,he's one of my idols
But you know why people hated him?
He wasnt exciting
Ali could talk,Frazier could sing,Norton could act,Spinks could scare animals out of the woods if he smiled,Foreman could preach,Larry just methodically beat people up.
And if you dont think America was racist in the 60's and 70's,
Why were so many people rooting for Cooney?

Yeah thats why when he no longer had the footspeed a nobody like Danny Williams tore him up

Uhh he lost because he had an injury, plus he didn't have his head movement anymore thats obvious.

His Defense sucked,in his prime he had great,and I do mean great footspeed,when that went,so did he.
You want to fight that guard,go right ahead,just tell me where to send the flowers or make a donation in lieu of flowers

How can his defense suck ?? have you seen his early fights ?? he had amazing head movement, he could make fighters miss with 10 punches in a row then counter.

I don't fight that way because im more lean and i use speed/slickness but it doesn't mean Tyson's defense sucks thats ridiculous.

He wasnt exciting

Holmes vs Witherspoon
Holmes vs Norton
Holmes vs Weaver
Holmes vs Cooney
Holmes vs Bonecrusher
Holmes vs Shavers 1 and 2
Holmes vs Snipes

All those fights were exciting, plus most of Ali's fights were boring as well.