Quote Originally Posted by leftylee
ICB I really CBA arguing with you on this as your totally biased real badly because you Know Froch is overrated and fought bums.


Reid was considered one of the top Super Middleweights until he lost to Lacy, and even for 4 rounds he was fighting even with Lacy until he got hit on the break and went down. And that seemed to badly effect him, Reid is a tough durable opponent who was Former world champion, and has been in there with a lot of World class opposition and Froch stopped him in fine fashion. Was Reid past his peak ?? yes but was he still durable tough opponent ?? yes.

How is he still tough and durable after a long layoff and 36 years old, you seen in the Brinkley fight he was totally shot and had nothing left. BTW Lacy destroyed Reid it was a one man beating.

I'll return that question to you and say name me one World class fighter Khan has beat ?? Romanov is decent at European level but i see his last fight and he struggled with 43-11 fighter, he is goodish with quite a bit of power but thats it.

I'd take Graham Earl when he fought Khan over Robin Reid when he fought Froch anyday.
REID WAS COMPLETELY SHOT!!!!!!! how many times do I have to say it.

They were both beaten by mere novice's but they both have had decent careers so far, because Burns has achieved quite a bit in his career so far, and Dmitry Pirog has gone undefeated in 10 pro fights.

Against 10 bums, GREAT.

It makes him durable tough opponent, Bika also only won 2 or 3 rounds vs Bute but he is still tough durable opponent. And considering Bute is one of the top Super Middleweights in the world at the moment that was quite an achievement, plus Froch is the only man to ever stop him so he deserves props for that and more props than what you and Super are giving him. Oh and while we are on the subject how many rounds did Earl win vs Katsidis ?? because by your logic it doesn't make Sergey Tatevosyan good because he only won 1 or 2 rounds vs Bute, but Earl didn't win any rounds vs Katsidis so that makes him even worse by that logic does it not ??

Because he took 1 round of Lucian Bute, stop talking S*** and Bute is behind Calzaghe and Kessler so he's no world beater, lets put things into perspective. Scoring a knockdown looks better than winning a round I would say that for sure.

If you can't see thats flash knockdown then im speechless, because your the only one that doesn't consider that flash knockdown and im talking about Hatton vs Collazo.

Did I say it was not a flash knockdown.

A flash knockdown is when you are not badly effected by it and you are up straight away, both of the things i mentioned Katsidis done and he then went about kicking Earl's a**.

But Katsidis was stunned afterwards.

You are taking things out of context i didn't say every fighter who gets beat in 1st round isn't warmed up

But you could see he was not warmed up, im not taking anything away from Kahn he done the job in impressive fashion. But once you get caught cold like Earl did your finished just like Enzo vs Hobson 2.

I'm not being funny etc ICB but after reflection that is the most ridicoulous comment you have ever said. "Khan beat him because Earl was not warmed up" OMG Khan blasted Earl end of.

In the final round he battered Earl all along the ropes with about 30 punches, its obvious Katsidis done more damage, because the beating lasted longer.

It could not of been that much of a beating for it to last 5 full rounds and the ref to throw the towel out of the ring when Earl's trainer threw it in.

Yep but it doesn't change the fact that he was badly hurt and floored by feather fisted opponent, who has mostly fought fighters with losing records

Were'nt Kelly Pavlik hurt and floored by JT and came back up to win?? Yes he was. Fought fighters with losing records?? Have you heard yourself Sergey tdfyuyuufyyfui or whatever his name was 26-7 and beaten nobody good and Robin Reid was shot totally and Tony Dodson had fought total bums.

ICB you really are one biased c*** for Froch and Khan is easily ranked ahead of him you say you'd take Froch's 4 over Khan's but Reid was totally SHOT and was just a name, Sergy had been beaten by everybody and your achievement for Froch is knocking out a guy Bute could'nt. Ohh what an achievement so let's say from now on Jeff Lacy is better than Calzaghe because he KO'd Reid and Calzaghe never.

Tony Dodson had fought total nobodys and Brian Magee was nothing special.

ICB also Froch is 30 and fought those opponents when Khan fought 28-1 fighters after just 13 fights so it took that long for Froch to mature as a fighter when look at Khan, he's doing that to those type fighters KO'ing world title contenders eg Earl etc in just one round at just 20 years of age.

You just can't take Ice that Froch has fought bums and Amir is actually going places in boxing.
ICB I really CBA arguing with you on this as your totally biased real badly because you Know Froch is overrated and fought bums.

Umm no its called different opinion i go with what i think not what other people want me to think. You say Froch has fought bums ?? well what has Khan fought ??

How is he still tough and durable after a long layoff and 36 years old, you seen in the Brinkley fight he was totally shot and had nothing left. BTW Lacy destroyed Reid it was a one man beating.

You haven't seen Lacy vs Reid fight if you had you would know it was competitive for 4 rounds. Until Lacy hit Reid on the break and that badly effected Reid, the ref was biased as hell. That should of been 1 point taken away from Lacy instead he called it a knockdown. Hell at least Reid was competitive for 4 rounds, Earl got a beating for the entire fight.

I'd take Graham Earl when he fought Khan over Robin Reid when he fought Froch anyday.
REID WAS COMPLETELY SHOT!!!!!!! how many times do I have to say it.

You can say it until your blue in the face it doesn't matter to me, Reid was still a tough durable former world champion, at least Reid had been in there with World class opposition. The only World class opponent Earl fought was Katsidis if you even consider him World class because i don't. Katsidis is struggling with too many Mediocre fighters for my liking, just like in his last fight.

Against 10 bums, GREAT.

How many good opponent's has Ricky Burns beat ??

Because he took 1 round of Lucian Bute, stop talking S*** and Bute is behind Calzaghe and Kessler so he's no world beater, lets put things into perspective. Scoring a knockdown looks better than winning a round I would say that for sure.

He took 2 rounds when i see if i remember right but whatever, he still lasted 12 rounds. And Sergey Tatevosyan has still been in there with World class opposition, and he still had never been stopped in his whole career when Froch fought him.

Bute isn't no World beater ?? what are you talking about ?? have you seen him fight ?? he handled Sakio Bika much easier than Calzaghe did. He has beaten some good opponent's in impressive fashion. Like Kabary Salem who knocked down Calzaghe and gave him 12 tough rounds, Bute is the only man to ever stop Salem. Bute is top 5 Super Middleweight in the world, he has good skills and he could beat any Super Middleweight out there except Kessler and Calzaghe.

Did I say it was not a flash knockdown.

You keep saying im Hatton hater because i say Hatton only floored Collazo with flash knockdown. So you are implying it yes.

But Katsidis was stunned afterwards.

He got up and lost his balance he was fine and then he went about giving Earl a beating, i went back yesterday and checked the footage again to make sure and he wasn't hurt. Just shocked because he wasn't expecting it and it came out of nowhere. After 15 seconds he was fine.

I'm not being funny etc ICB but after reflection that is the most ridicoulous comment you have ever said. "Khan beat him because Earl was not warmed up" OMG laugh Khan blasted Earl end of.

Do you know anything about boxing have you ever stepping into the ring ?? because i have and i can tell you right now, if you aren't warmed up your getting sparked out end of. Im not making excuses for Earl, Khan was much better than Earl end of and he showed his class. But Earl wasn't warmed up and he caught got cold, but it wouldn't of mattered anyway because Khan was just better.

It could not of been that much of a beating for it to last 5 full rounds and the ref to throw the towel out of the ring when Earl's trainer threw it in.

Couldn't of been that much of a beating ?? he was getting hit with about 40+ punches in every round by hard flush punches. You haven't got a clue, getting hit with 15 punches in the 1st round and getting stopped, is nowhere near even close to getting hit with over 100+ flushes punches over 5 rounds i thought that was pretty obvious.

Let me put it this way do you think Tommy Morrison took more damage from Michael Bentt getting stopped in 1st round, or do you think he took more damage getting one sided beating for 6 rounds against Lennox Lewis ??

ICB you really are one biased c*** for Froch and Khan is easily ranked ahead of him you say you'd take Froch's 4 over Khan's but Reid was totally SHOT and was just a name,

Umm no im just talking facts about each opposition sorry you can't handle it. But its a fact and you call me biased, well couldn't i say the same for you ??

Were'nt Kelly Pavlik hurt and floored by JT and came back up to win??



Sorry but that is ridiculous your comparing, Kelly Pavlik getting floored against World Middleweight champion who beat the likes of Bernard Hopkins. To a a feather fisted fighter like Willie Limond who has fought mostly fighters with losing records and can't even stop most of them and you call me biased ha.

Have you heard yourself Sergey tdfyuyuufyyfui or whatever his name was 26-7 and beaten nobody good and Robin Reid was shot totally and Tony Dodson had fought total bums.

Sergey Tatevosyan has been in there with World Class opposition he is very tough durable fighter. That had never been stopped. You say Dodson had beaten nothing but bums but who had Willie Limond and Steffy Bull beat that impresses you ??

Sergy had been beaten by everybody

He fell short of World class but he is still tough durable fighter, and at least he went the distance with World class opposition. Unlike Bull, Limond, Earl.

your achievement for Froch is knocking out a guy Bute could'nt.

And isn't that what your basing Khan's achievement on ?? a guy that Katsidis couldn't KO ??

Sergey Tatevosyan even went distance with hard hitting Howard Eastman and if you see his KO record i think your find its 42 wins, 35 KO's. Which means Sergey Tatevosyan is a very durable opponent.

Tony Dodson had fought total nobodys and Brian Magee was nothing special.

There better than Willie Limond and Steffy Bull

ICB also Froch is 30 and fought those opponents when Khan fought 28-1 fighters after just 13 fights so it took that long for Froch to mature as a fighter when look at Khan, he's doing that to those type fighters KO'ing world title contenders eg Earl etc in just one round at just 20 years of age.


Froch started at a late age so what ?? Khan has been getting more exposure because of the Olympics. Froch has stopped Former world champion and has also stopped a fighter that has gone 12 rounds with Lucian Bute, who is now the current IBF Super Middleweight champion

Amir Kahn KO Earl in impressive fashion i never denied, but Earl fought Katsidis and got a bad beating. He was never in the fight except for a split second knock down. And apart from that looked out of his depth and Katsidis looked a class above Earl.

You just can't take Ice that Froch has fought bums and Amir is actually going places in boxing.

Ice can't take what ?? now your sounding childish, in your opinion Khan is going places. But i want to see him up against a world class opponent before i make any judgment and ditto with Froch. And haven't you heard that supposedly Froch is fighting Mikkel Kessler ?? so Froch is going places and he is also rated 6th Super Middleweight in the world by Ring Magazine

Where as Khan is fighting an unknown Dutchman who has never had a fight outside of Denmark, oh yea and guess what ?? another feather fisted opponent that is surprising isn't it ??