Here's the Hopkins 'White Boy' incident

[ICB]

Dont really agree with that Bilbo. The way you explain seems to make sense,but race relations are a bit more complicated than the bully on the play ground let's be fair.

By the logic of that story it's ok for black people to be racist to white people?

So it's ok for a black person to come up to me and call me a white F*** because my ancestors may have enslaved his ancestors.

I can see where your coming from though dont get me wrong.

But Racism cannot be justified.Regardless.

The thing is nowadays people have reduced racism to calling people names as if that's the ultimate form of racism.

It isn't, not even close.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

Unemployment rates are much higher for blacks than for whites. The chances of a black person going to university are much less than a white person.

There are more blacks today under the poverty line in the US than white people.

So clearly there is still 'real' racism going on, but it's unreported because it's done under the veil of political correctness.

Saying you will never lose to a white man isn't racist as there is no offense actually being committed.

It's like equating a man saying he would love to smash his bosses' face to an actual murderer who killed his boss.

All this emphasis on name calling being racism just goes to obscure the real racism that takes place all the time.

How does for example B Hop saying he will not lose to a white guy compare to say the complete disenfranchment of the majority of black and other ethnic minorities in being able to vote in the US elections in New York and other cities and states?

Your going completely off the subject, your 2nd comment has nothing to do with Hopkins implying White people are inferior.

How does his name calling compare with the fact in the US the average black man only earns 67% of what the average white man earns?

What has that got to with Hopkins implying what he did ?? if all people thought that way the whole world would be racist.

And all your other comments are completely off the subject, when i was a young i had people call me racist names and im white. So does that mean i have to become a racist myself ?? there is a lot racism everywhere not just for black people. But that doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to come out with racist comments yourself sorry but i totally disagree.

It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!'

It had nothing to do with racism whatsoever, he's just trying to get a mental edge over Calzaghe and also trying to hype up a potential fight.

He's a salesman and a predator who got into 'fighting' character.

I personally think he did exactly the right thing because even now people are still talking about it

It's purely hype to get a big fight made and for the fans to be interested in it Ice. If he would have said he'd never lose to a Welsh boyo with cowardly Italian blood in him nobody would have said he was racist because he would have been talking about nationality.

There are other ways to hype a fight than racist comments, im sorry Bilbo if i sound like im ranting on. But i totally disagree a lot of people go through some sort of racism in there life. But that doesn't mean you have to become a racist yourself thats a poor excuse IMO. because it doesn't matter what color you are, everyone is a human being everyone is an individual, like i said when i was really young i had people call me racist comments, but i realize thats only certain individual's, it doesn't mean i have to hate a whole race because of it.

If he would have said. 'Joe you're a kunt and I never lose to kunt's', again nobody would have said he was racist.

Well thats totally different because thats a swear word and that would not be implying anything racist.

But because he mentioned a colour certain people get all up in arms and shout 'Racist!'

Yes he mentioned a skin color and implied that white people are inferior, of course that is a racist. Because he is disrespecting a whole race.

That quote of yours pretty much sums up the lunacy of the argument in my mind. He could have made a personal attack on Calzaghe and you would have been fine with it but because he made a vague generalistation applied to nobody in particular you take issue with it.

It also highlights another point. You're not against name calling or abuse just ones that have a racist connotation.

Well if it wasn't for the past actions of white men there wouldn't be any 'racism' to get up in arms about and remark about colour would mean no more than a remark about height, weight, physical appearance, educational background etc.

We only brought in anti racism laws and etiquette to protect blacks and other minorities from racist abuse from whites I just find it completely absurd that when a black man makes a remark about whites it's seen as the same kind of racism as enslaving a population, torturing, killing, raping, subjecating and exploiting them.

Remember the racist laws wern't to protect people from 'name calling' it was from real racist actions like those above.

Hopkins just made a boastful remark, their was no element of racism in it.

You seem incapable of seperating a racist action from a bitchy remark.

If someone set fire to your car it would be an act of vandalism.

If someone said 'my car is faster than yours' what does even have to do with vandalism?

Likewise if someone abuses, intimidates, threatens, exploits a person because of their colour its racism.

If two fighters who are both equal to each other engage in a slanging match to try and hype a fight and get a mental edge over their opponent what has race even got to do with it?

You're getting all hung up because he mentioned a colour but it's completely out of context with real racism.

That quote of yours pretty much sums up the lunacy of the argument in my mind. He could have made a personal attack on Calzaghe and you would have been fine with it but because he made a vague generalistation applied to nobody in particular you take issue with it.

Well thats obvious Bilbo of course im am going to take it personal when someone disrespect's my race. Why would i take it personal some guy calling another guy a kunt ?? i thinks its lunacy that you think i should take it personal if Hopkins made personal attack against Calzaghe. Of course its different when someone disrespect's your race maybe you don't mind it but i do and i take it personal.

It also highlights another point. You're not against name calling or abuse just ones that have a racist connotation.

Oh i am against name calling i don't like name calling either, i just find it more disrespectful when someone has to bring a whole race into it.

Well if it wasn't for the past actions of white men there wouldn't be any 'racism' to get up in arms about and remark about colour would mean no more than a remark about height, weight, physical appearance, educational background etc.

That was then this is now, who cares about the past when you wasn't even around in that time ?? if we all thought that way then the whole world would be racist.

that when a black man makes a remark about whites it's seen as the same kind of racism as enslaving a population, torturing, killing, raping, subjecating and exploiting them.

Actually you got that one mixed up, if Calzaghe would of made a racist attack about black people. I guarantee you wouldn't of heard the end of it, plus it would of been considered an outrage.

You seem incapable of seperating a racist action from a bitchy remark.

Or maybe you think its acceptable to disrespect someone's race ??

If two fighters who are both equal to each other engage in a slanging match to try and hype a fight and get a mental edge over their opponent what has race even got to do with it?

Hopkins brought race into it when he didn't have to, stop making excuses for him. There is no excuse for disrespecting a race.

[Mar]

It's just more blah blah blah to me. Behind the scenes most people are racist in some way or form but act like it's so dispickable when some celeb says it. I bet way worse has been said in the ring and away from the camera's between fighters. Maybe hop really feels that way or maybe he's pullin a mayweather and just trying to get a reaction which always generates cash for the people who say crap like this. I gotta lean towards the side of the "Man" in this one, i see joe beating him. Black white or otherwise...

[NUCLEAR BULL]

theres never no need to say things of that nature, i'm a hopkins fan but didnt find thoses coments at all needed.

if they sign the fight then we'll see whos bluffing who when they get in the ring, but joes the fav for this as hopkins isn't the fighter he once was and at 43 he'll find it hard to cope with joes high output, but you never know

[No Contest]

Problem is America is the most racist country in the world and only recently gave blacks rights.


Wasp, you are kidding right? I think America is one of the least racist countries. How in the hell can you say that when we have the most diverse ethnic make-up of any country in the world. People are dying to come here to be ostricized and segregated, yep that's good ole U.S.A.

[Trainer Monkey]

Problem is America is the most racist country in the world and only recently gave blacks rights.


Wasp, you are kidding right? I think America is one of the least racist countries. How in the hell can you say that when we have the most diverse ethnic make-up of any country in the world. People are dying to come here to be ostricized and segregated, yep that's good ole U.S.A.

What do Tom Hayden and Jerry Brown not have in common with Lawerence Fishburn,and Morgan Freeman?
They can get a cab

[No Contest]

Lawrence Fishburn and Morgan Freeman ride in Limosines.

[Trainer Monkey]

Lawrence Fishburn and Morgan Freeman ride in Limosines.

Most actors in NYC use Cabs,Limo's are a complete pain in the ass in New York.
Well unless you never care about reaching your destination,let alone anything resembling on time

[Deanrw]

I take what he said with a grain of salt. It was really no big deal and with the over use of political correctness out there these days it was kind of refreshing. I'm as white as you can get and not offended as long as it was only a one off remark.

I do wonder if Joe would have said "And I will never lose to a black man" back to Bernard if he would have been called out by the media on it?

The one thing that bugs me about this is, if Bernard and Calzaghe end up trying to sell this fight as being some race war ethnic bullshit, like Cooney/Holmes was, they both deserve to have their licenses suspended. We are supposed to be way beyond that BS and it should not be tolerated.

[No Contest]

I couldnt speak about NYC because I've never been there, but out here in Cali someone would get sued for discrimination.

[Trainer Monkey]

Try looking at somebodies world,before you judge them by yours
Want to guess what would happen if Bernard tried to buy a house on Tasker and 15th?
Or northeast Philly
Or heaven forbid not being named Will Smith or Bill Cosby and buy a place on the mainline or Society Hill
We can start with the phrase "fire bomb" and work from there
The words "white boy" is alot nicer then what they call African Americans in those neighborhoods

[Trainer Monkey]

I couldnt speak about NYC because I've never been there, but out here in Cali someone would get sued for discrimination.

Danny Glover tried it,it got tossed out of court

[drgonzo]

Well thats obvious Bilbo of course im am going to take it personal when someone disrespect's my race. Why would i take it personal some guy calling another guy a kunt ?? i thinks its lunacy that you think i should take it personal if Hopkins made personal attack against Calzaghe. Of course its different when someone disrespect's your race maybe you don't mind it but i do and i take it personal.

Ya know I'm one of those whacky big picture, none of this mess really matters so there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch over anything (and I mean anything) kinda people, so when you take it personal when someone disrespect's your race I just don't understand. You should try not becoming emotional involved, it tends to hinder your ability to think clearly and that unfortunately bleeds into the conversation. And to be honest, the jews complained less about the holocaust than white's do about being called, a 'white boy' lol. You have white pasty skin, it sucks I know but get over yourself and don't be suprised when I call you whitey. The color of your skin means absolutely shit, and so does Hopkins' comment. But man do I really wanna see this fight... Hmm maybe I should actually thank B-Hop for the buildup, I can stir on this for a few months and really enjoy the shit when it comes around

[JT Rock]

1st of all its completely assanined and ignorant for a 43 year old man to call another man at 36 years old a "White Boy"

Please anyone who dosent take that statement for what it implies RACIAL SUPERIORITY needs to wisen up.... It was in poor taste plain and simple. Hopkins was a douchebag in making that remark END OF!!!! like someone else said if Calzaghe said "I aint lettin no Black Man beat be" the whole place would of errupted Jesse Jackson would have been flow in with Al Sharpton and they would have picketed the gotdam arena. They would have demanded an apology and Calzaghe would have had to have a press conference to save face... Meanwhile Dikhead Hopkins runs off at the mouth and he gets a gatepass, to hell with that I hate racism no matter who is prompting it, but the recourse should be equal as well as the public outrage.

[Trainer Monkey]

1st of all its completely assanined and ignorant for a 43 year old man to call another man at 36 years old a "White Boy"

Please anyone who dosent take that statement for what it implies RACIAL SUPERIORITY needs to wisen up.... It was in poor taste plain and simple. Hopkins was a douchebag in making that remark END OF!!!! like someone else said if Calzaghe said "I aint lettin no Black Man beat be" the whole place would of errupted Jesse Jackson would have been flow in with Al Sharpton and they would have picketed the gotdam arena. They would have demanded an apology and Calzaghe would have had to have a press conference to save face... Meanwhile Dikhead Hopkins runs off at the mouth and he gets a gatepass, to hell with that I hate racism no matter who is prompting it, but the recourse should be equal as well as the public outrage.

Again,before you judge any man from your world,try looking at his
When they stop calling African Americans moolies in South Philly and n*****s in North East Philly,and "those people" everywhere else,you might have a point

[ICB]

Well thats obvious Bilbo of course im am going to take it personal when someone disrespect's my race. Why would i take it personal some guy calling another guy a kunt ?? i thinks its lunacy that you think i should take it personal if Hopkins made personal attack against Calzaghe. Of course its different when someone disrespect's your race maybe you don't mind it but i do and i take it personal.

Ya know I'm one of those whacky big picture, none of this mess really matters so there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch over anything (and I mean anything) kinda people, so when you take it personal when someone disrespect's your race I just don't understand. You should try not becoming emotional involved, it tends to hinder your ability to think clearly and that unfortunately bleeds into the conversation. And to be honest, the jews complained less about the holocaust than white's do about being called, a 'white boy' lol. You have white pasty skin, it sucks I know but get over yourself and don't be suprised when I call you whitey. The color of your skin means absolutely S***, and so does Hopkins' comment. But man do I really wanna see this fight... Hmm maybe I should actually thank B-Hop for the buildup, I can stir on this for a few months and really enjoy the S*** when it comes around

so when you take it personal when someone disrespect's your race I just don't understand.

You don't understand why someone gets annoyed, over someone disrespecting there race umm ok.

You should try not becoming emotional involved, it tends to hinder your ability to think clearly and that unfortunately bleeds into the conversation.

It hasn't effected my ability to think clearly im having a friendly debate with Bilbo. We have different opinions on the matter thats all.

And to be honest, the jews complained less about the holocaust than white's do about being called, a 'white boy' lol.



You have white pasty skin, it sucks I know but get over yourself

Your giving me a lecture than come out with that statement

Who the hell are you anyway ?? and who the hell do you think you are coming out with that statement ?? maybe your the one that needs to get over yourself.

don't be suprised when I call you whitey.

Don't be surprised when i call you an idiot.