People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito

[donnydarkoIRL]

Ironic this is posted under Rozzy's sig but:

I really dislike Mayweather but I do feel he has become a better fighter than Roy Jones Jr.

[Hulk]

Forget bout it Rozzy, Roy Jones was a greater fighter than PBF will ever be. Even at 39, he'll toy with Tito, then take him outta there when he feels like it. Its a mismatch, plain and simple.

That's exactly what Jones better NOT try to do. That would be a huge mistake, and you can't say that Jones is a greater fighter then PBF will every be when Jones has had his ass KO'd 2x by B+ Grade fighters, and he dominated in weight classes that were fairly week at that time, as least as compared to the resume Floyd has been building. I'm not taking anything away from Jones, who I respect and consider an ATG, but on an all-time p4p, Floyd rankings ahead of him already, and mostly likely by the time his career is done, it won't even be close.

And this is coming from a guy who hates Floyd and would love to see him get KTFO.

Bullshit. Who the hell has Mayweather beaten that is better than a prime James Toney? Answer me that. Gimme a fukin break.

[smashcrusher]

Forget bout it Rozzy, Roy Jones was a greater fighter than PBF will ever be. Even at 39, he'll toy with Tito, then take him outta there when he feels like it. Its a mismatch, plain and simple.

That's exactly what Jones better NOT try to do. That would be a huge mistake, and you can't say that Jones is a greater fighter then PBF will every be when Jones has had his a** KO'd 2x by B+ Grade fighters, and he dominated in weight classes that were fairly week at that time, as least as compared to the resume Floyd has been building. I'm not taking anything away from Jones, who I respect and consider an ATG, but on an all-time p4p, Floyd rankings ahead of him already, and mostly likely by the time his career is done, it won't even be close.

And this is coming from a guy who hates Floyd and would love to see him get KTFO.

Bullshit. Who the hell has Mayweather beaten that is better than a prime James Toney? Answer me that. Gimme a fukin break.

Speaking of Toney, has he officially retired?

[frozensolid_702]

Forget bout it Rozzy, Roy Jones was a greater fighter than PBF will ever be. Even at 39, he'll toy with Tito, then take him outta there when he feels like it. Its a mismatch, plain and simple.

That's exactly what Jones better NOT try to do. That would be a huge mistake, and you can't say that Jones is a greater fighter then PBF will every be when Jones has had his a** KO'd 2x by B+ Grade fighters, and he dominated in weight classes that were fairly week at that time, as least as compared to the resume Floyd has been building. I'm not taking anything away from Jones, who I respect and consider an ATG, but on an all-time p4p, Floyd rankings ahead of him already, and mostly likely by the time his career is done, it won't even be close.

And this is coming from a guy who hates Floyd and would love to see him get KTFO.

Bullshit. Who the hell has Mayweather beaten that is better than a prime James Toney? Answer me that. Gimme a fukin break.

Oscar Delahoya (the same Oscar that spanked your boy Mayorga at 154 )



Is that the break that you we're looking for??

[Hulk]

Forget bout it Rozzy, Roy Jones was a greater fighter than PBF will ever be. Even at 39, he'll toy with Tito, then take him outta there when he feels like it. Its a mismatch, plain and simple.

That's exactly what Jones better NOT try to do. That would be a huge mistake, and you can't say that Jones is a greater fighter then PBF will every be when Jones has had his a** KO'd 2x by B+ Grade fighters, and he dominated in weight classes that were fairly week at that time, as least as compared to the resume Floyd has been building. I'm not taking anything away from Jones, who I respect and consider an ATG, but on an all-time p4p, Floyd rankings ahead of him already, and mostly likely by the time his career is done, it won't even be close.

And this is coming from a guy who hates Floyd and would love to see him get KTFO.

Bullshit. Who the hell has Mayweather beaten that is better than a prime James Toney? Answer me that. Gimme a fukin break.

Oscar Delahoya (the same Oscar that spanked your boy Mayorga at 154 )



Is that the break that you we're looking for??

Aging Oscar at 154, who fights once a year was better than James Toney? PLEASE. Prime for Prime even, hell career to career, Toney is the superior fighter.

And no, I think Toney plans on fighting and eating some more.

[RozzySean]

Forget bout it Rozzy, Roy Jones was a greater fighter than PBF will ever be. Even at 39, he'll toy with Tito, then take him outta there when he feels like it. Its a mismatch, plain and simple.

That's exactly what Jones better NOT try to do. That would be a huge mistake, and you can't say that Jones is a greater fighter then PBF will every be when Jones has had his ass KO'd 2x by B+ Grade fighters, and he dominated in weight classes that were fairly week at that time, as least as compared to the resume Floyd has been building. I'm not taking anything away from Jones, who I respect and consider an ATG, but on an all-time p4p, Floyd rankings ahead of him already, and mostly likely by the time his career is done, it won't even be close.

And this is coming from a guy who hates Floyd and would love to see him get KTFO.

Bullshit. Who the hell has Mayweather beaten that is better than a prime James Toney? Answer me that. Gimme a fukin break.

Prime James Toney was Jone's finest hour. You can make a reasonable case that whitewashing Toney at 168 is a single greater victory than any of Mayweather's single victories, but once you get beyond Toney and a still developing Hopkins, the volumn of Mayweathers work given in the edge. Don't forget about PBF completely dominating and cleaning out 130 and 135. Been critical of Floyd in the past for the way he handled the 140lb division, but he put that to rest by beating Hatton last month.

Top Quality Floyd Mayweather wins:
Oscar, Ricky, Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Jesus Chavez, G. Hernadez, and Carlos Hernadez w/one hand.

Second Tier:
Manfredy, Corley, Baldomir

Top Jones Wins:
Toney, Hopkins (very young), Griffin, Hill, Harding, Ruiz (i guess)

Second Tier:
McCallum (a shot version), Gonzalez, Woods.

Both resumes are impressive. The win over a prime but totally weight drained Toney stands out, especially because he thumped him so thoroughly. Even at full strength, Roy wins that one. But once you get past 1 and 2 on the list, looking at the whole list, I give Floyd the edge, and he's not done adding to it.

And I hate Floyd. I'm just being objective. Roy seems greater in some ways because he was so much fun to watch. Made guys look dumb when they tried to him and threw brilliant, flashing combos.

[Hulk]

Rozzy I like how you just ignore Jone's victories over Thomas "Ice T" Tate, Merqui Sosa and Reggie Johnson. Those were three BAD MF's right there.

[Galaxy]

As to Floyd/ Tito I'm in Mayweather's favor. Floyd's style would give Trinidad hell all night!!!

[TheCruelBallet]

"People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito"

Floyd WOULD beat Tito by about 4 rounds

[RozzySean]

Rozzy I like how you just ignore Jone's victories over Thomas "Ice T" Tate, Merqui Sosa and Reggie Johnson. Those were three BAD MF's right there.

I'm not sure those were "bad" fighters, but the definately weren't top class. None of those three fighters every beat a top level fighter. Tate was the best of three, by far, but he was beat by Percy Harris, Julian Jackson (no shame in that, but it would have been a more impressive victory if he would have beaten Jackson). He also lost to Rocky Gannon and Silvio Branco right after the Jones fight. Sosa was decent, but he falls into tier 2.

I also left about 3 names of similar level fighters to those off Floyds list, because Gatti, Juuko, and Phillip N'Dou a bit below the other names. N'Dou was actually a pretty impressive victory, too, at least on the level of Sosa, Juuko was certainly as good than Reggie Johnson p4p.

I stand by my orginal point, but this is a Tito vs Floyd thread and we've managed to get into a debate about Roy Jones. I would say start a new thread if you want to continue, but I'm pretty much bored of this.

[skyler]

Rozzy I like how you just ignore Jone's victories over Thomas "Ice T" Tate, Merqui Sosa and Reggie Johnson. Those were three BAD MF's right there.

This would be like someone saying Sharmba Mitchell, Victoriano Sosa, and Chop Chop Corley were 'three BAD MF's.' Don't make me laugh. There's a name for guys like Tate, the two Sosa's, Johnson, Mitchell, and Corley:

their called tune-ups.

[ICB]

Forget bout it Rozzy, Roy Jones was a greater fighter than PBF will ever be. Even at 39, he'll toy with Tito, then take him outta there when he feels like it. Its a mismatch, plain and simple.

That's exactly what Jones better NOT try to do. That would be a huge mistake, and you can't say that Jones is a greater fighter then PBF will every be when Jones has had his a** KO'd 2x by B+ Grade fighters, and he dominated in weight classes that were fairly week at that time, as least as compared to the resume Floyd has been building. I'm not taking anything away from Jones, who I respect and consider an ATG, but on an all-time p4p, Floyd rankings ahead of him already, and mostly likely by the time his career is done, it won't even be close.

And this is coming from a guy who hates Floyd and would love to see him get KTFO.

Bullshit. Who the hell has Mayweather beaten that is better than a prime James Toney? Answer me that. Gimme a fukin break.

Prime James Toney was Jone's finest hour. You can make a reasonable case that whitewashing Toney at 168 is a single greater victory than any of Mayweather's single victories, but once you get beyond Toney and a still developing Hopkins, the volumn of Mayweathers work given in the edge. Don't forget about PBF completely dominating and cleaning out 130 and 135. Been critical of Floyd in the past for the way he handled the 140lb division, but he put that to rest by beating Hatton last month.

Top Quality Floyd Mayweather wins:
Oscar, Ricky, Corrales, Castillo, Judah,  Jesus Chavez, G. Hernadez, and Carlos Hernadez w/one hand.

Second Tier:
Manfredy, Corley, Baldomir

Top Jones Wins:
Toney, Hopkins (very young), Griffin, Hill, Harding, Ruiz (i guess)

Second Tier:
McCallum (a shot version), Gonzalez, Woods.

Both resumes are impressive. The win over a prime but totally weight drained Toney stands out, especially because he thumped him so thoroughly. Even at full strength, Roy wins that one. But once you get past 1 and 2 on the list, looking at the whole list, I give Floyd the edge, and he's not done adding to it.

And I hate Floyd. I'm just being objective. Roy seems greater in some ways because he was so much fun to watch. Made guys look dumb when they tried to him and threw brilliant, flashing combos.

Wheres Reggie Johnson who beat Steve Collins, was the first man to drop James Toney, plus all of his losses were razor thin decisions coming into Jones fight.

Thulani Malinga even deserves a mention he was never KO coming into Jones fight. Plus he went on to beat the likes of Benn and a lot of people think he should of been 2-0 with Benn instead of 1-1. He also out boxed a prime Robin Reid when he was 40+. Malinga was a tough solid fighter who went the distance with a lot of World champions.

And you also mention that Hopkins was young and inexperienced, but Roy Jones had even less fights than Hopkins.

[ICB]

Rozzy I like how you just ignore Jone's victories over Thomas "Ice T" Tate, Merqui Sosa and Reggie Johnson. Those were three BAD MF's right there.

This would be like someone saying Sharmba Mitchell, Victoriano Sosa, and Chop Chop Corley were 'three BAD MF's.' Don't make me laugh. There's a name for guys like Tate, the two Sosa's, Johnson, Mitchell, and Corley:

their called tune-ups.

Do you even know the history on Tate ?? shortly before Jones fight he went the distance with the hardest hitting Middleweight champion of all time Julian Jackson and gave him one of his toughest fights. Jones is the only boxer to ever KO him, Tate was a solid fighter fighter in his prime.

[ICB]

Tito was getting outboxed by Oscar for the majority of their fight at 154. Mayweather is a much better boxer at 147 than Oscar at 154. The biggest difference is that Mayweather brings it for 12 full rounds while getting better with each passing round, while Oscar always fades down the stretch.

Mayweather would box Tito's ears off at 147 en-route to a wide UD.

Frozen, that fight was at 147. And that was Prime Undefeated Oscar at his best. I would've loved to have seen how Mayweather could've handled that Oscar given that he could barely handle him when they fought 8 YEARS AFTER. Even then, Oscar did not dominate Tito and Tito kept it close enough to pull of the W in the end. Also, Oscar was not known for stamina issues back then. He was known for rallying at the end. see Carr and Quartey fights. It was Tito that made him fight that way, it was Tito that made him back off at the end. Give the man some credit.

Now your just being biased, Mayweather handled Oscar much easier than Tito ever did. And lets not forget Mayweather fought Oscar way above his best weight class and Mayweather is about x2 better at Super Featherweight and Lightweight. I had Mayweather winning the Oscar De La Hoya fight clearly by 3 or 4 rounds plus Oscar De La Hoya only landed 21 percent of his punches, and Mayweather landed 43 percent of his punches, where as Oscar De La Hoya landed 41 percent of his punches vs Felix Trinidad, and Tito only landed 25 percent of his punches.

If Mayweather would have fought Oscar De La Hoya at Lightweight. Mayweather would have beaten Oscar De La Hoya by near enough the same scores as he did at Light Middleweight.

[The Rookie Fan]

Tito was getting outboxed by Oscar for the majority of their fight at 154. Mayweather is a much better boxer at 147 than Oscar at 154. The biggest difference is that Mayweather brings it for 12 full rounds while getting better with each passing round, while Oscar always fades down the stretch.

Mayweather would box Tito's ears off at 147 en-route to a wide UD.

Frozen, that fight was at 147. And that was Prime Undefeated Oscar at his best. I would've loved to have seen how Mayweather could've handled that Oscar given that he could barely handle him when they fought 8 YEARS AFTER. Even then, Oscar did not dominate Tito and Tito kept it close enough to pull of the W in the end. Also, Oscar was not known for stamina issues back then. He was known for rallying at the end. see Carr and Quartey fights. It was Tito that made him fight that way, it was Tito that made him back off at the end. Give the man some credit.

Now your just being biased, Mayweather handled Oscar much easier than Tito ever did. And lets not forget Mayweather fought Oscar way above his best weight class and Mayweather is about x2 better at Super Featherweight and Lightweight. I had Mayweather winning the Oscar De La Hoya fight clearly by 3 or 4 rounds plus Oscar De La Hoya only landed 21 percent of his punches, and Mayweather landed 43 percent of his punches, where as Oscar De La Hoya landed 41 percent of his punches vs Felix Trinidad, and Tito only landed 25 percent of his punches.

If Mayweather would have fought Oscar De La Hoya at Lightweight. Mayweather would have beaten Oscar De La Hoya by near enough the same scores as he did at Light Middleweight.

You are putting way too much into what I said. I never meant to imply Tito handled DLH better than Mayweather did. I'm simply stating that the DLH that Tito fought was much better than the DLH Mayweather fought. It was a prime, undefeated DLH. The reason I say that is because everyone likes to point out Tito-DLH and say see if DLH did that than Mayweather could do it better. Well I don't see how we can all come to the conclusion that Mayweather now at welterweight is any better than prime DLH at welterweight. Not to mention that Mayweather is smaller and does not have the power of DLH.

And why are you talking about DLH - Mayweather at Lightweight. What does that have to do with this discussion. But now that you mention it, you should be fair about it and remember that DLH was much better at Lightweight too.