Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!

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Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.

Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.

So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?

I have watched that bout (much to my sickness) over & over again, I have read the articles supporting & opposing the decision, seen that HBO Legendary Nights bit also & nothing sways me from my position. Oscar handily out boxed Trinidad up until about the 8th round. Yes he took the last few rounds off…but had already boxed comfortably to a position of dominance. Oscar’s stamina was never a question back then…but the amount of punches he threw against Trinidad & the amount of movement he used to stay out of reach of Tito’s shots definitely wore him out.

I don’t credit Tito with that win because I don’t think that he deserved it.

I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?

I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.

quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.

I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.

Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.

A win over a champion is a win…but it’s hard to fully respect it unless in his prime…but that’s just my thoughts. He still get’s the W on his script & that’s that I reckon.

quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.

I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.

I disagree here.

Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.

Sure there’s a chance that Tito could catch him…but I don’t believe Jones is that stupid anymore.

quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.

I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.

Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission. Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.

On Jones’ worst day…he’s thrice the man Reid is.

quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.

Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight
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Yes he did. He’s always kept Tito in left field when it comes to what’s really what out on the mat.
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So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?


Yep because it wasn't a robbery, I thought Barrera got a draw against Marquez and would of won if knockdown would of been scored. But you said to other members here the ones who thought Barrera won that they have to give Marquez his dues even if they didn't think Marquez won. So basically you have to do the same in this case because it wasn't a robbery plus Tito done very well to get back into the fight he was losing by about 3 or 4 rounds.

I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?

I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.

For most of the fight Oscar was running hardly throwing any punches, he would throw flurries every once in a while, and throw some jabs but most of the time he was on the back foot and he was way to cautious. Thats why he got tired at the end because he was wasting energy by dancing/running for the entire 3 minutes of the round no one can keep up that pace.

Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.


Well not long before that fight Whitaker gave Oscar a very razor thin close fight, in which many thought Oscar got a gift decision. So i think Tito deserves bit more credit.

Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.

Well i can't change your mind on that so we will leave it at that.

Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission.

Tito forced Oscar on the back foot so Tito played a part into Oscar tiring late in the fight. I just think Oscar was moving way too much he almost seemed scared of Tito's power, and he never really got his body weight into the shots.

Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.

Not saying it has anything to do with Jones fight, its just you said Tito doesn't box well unless he has the upper hand. So i just pointed of them fights because he was losing in those fights and comeback well in both fights.


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What the F*** is all of this?

You guys need to learn how to fwocken quote....
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That is what Ice COLD Boxing calls "winning".

Almost dizzying...his intellect...when you put all that hammer type with it, I mean.
[/quote] I was actually joking when i said that comment, no one actually wins in a debate. Although you did back out